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Posted by Dawne Peterson on April 27, 2009, 4:26 pm
<lucretiaborgia wrote
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>>>>When we see young (and not-so-young) mothers with a couple of children
>>>>in tow who fill their supermarket trolley with ready-prepared food
>>>>(burgers etc) and tinned produce Maureen often comments that with what
>>>>they spent they could buy a couple of joints of meat and some fresh
>>>>vegetables and, for the cost of an hour or two in preparation, give
>>>>their family several decent, much healthier and tastier meals.
>>> The one that bugs me is to see that mother/father with a carton of
>>> potato salad, the price of ready-made salad is about 10lbs of spuds
>>> and a jar of mayo and whatever else one likes to add to it.
>>I wonder??? 10 lbs. of potatoes is probably about $4 to $5. I buy one
>>at a time for baking so I'm not sure! A jar of mayonnaise here is
>>around
>>$3. Now how does one figure in the time it takes to peel all those
>>potatoes, cook them, dry them and add all the ingredients necessary to
>>give
>>it a really good taste?
>>Given the fact that so many families are made up of people who work full
>>time and don't get home until 6 or 7 p.m., how can you figure the real
>>cost
>>of 10 lbs. of potato salad?
>>I'm not advocating using prepared or fast food or saying that mothers must
>>stay home and take care of home and hearth. That's a whole other
>>discussion.
>>Just thinking about it.
> I don't like myself much for noticing it but it is clear that most of
> these carts are pushed by people on welfare! They aren't working and
> could take all day, every day, to make potato salad non-stop.
Some people on welfare live in circumstances that make cooking really
difficult. They might not have a working oven; sometimes they are cooking
on hotplates. Microwaves are pretty cheap compared to electric ranges. One
of the great things our foodbank does is offer kitchen facilities, so people
can actually cook with proper working stoves and good pots and utensils.
They also have the help of the local Home Economists organization, as some
people, especially if they are from several generations of welfare, had no
one who had skills to pass to them. Many are glad to learn how to take the
assortment of vegetables they might get and turn it into a good soup that
will last several days.
Dawne
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Posted by on April 27, 2009, 5:46 pm
On Mon, 27 Apr 2009 14:26:48 -0600, "Dawne Peterson"
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>Some people on welfare live in circumstances that make cooking really
>difficult. They might not have a working oven; sometimes they are cooking
>on hotplates. Microwaves are pretty cheap compared to electric ranges. One
>of the great things our foodbank does is offer kitchen facilities, so people
>can actually cook with proper working stoves and good pots and utensils.
>They also have the help of the local Home Economists organization, as some
>people, especially if they are from several generations of welfare, had no
>one who had skills to pass to them. Many are glad to learn how to take the
>assortment of vegetables they might get and turn it into a good soup that
>will last several days.
>Dawne
We have a programme too (for those who will take it) to basically
teach them how to cook good, nutritious meals made much more cheaply.
They are not exactly lining up to take the course though, it's
depressing.
I know it is not pc but some of these are second and third generation
welfare cases; they have grown up with role models who displayed no
work ethics and no basic housekeeping skills. It's not realistic to
think they will develop those skills from thin air.
I am not condemning, just stating and totally at a loss to know how to
remedy it.
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Posted by Olwyn Mary on April 27, 2009, 8:38 pm
lucretiaborgia@florence.it wrote:
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> On Mon, 27 Apr 2009 14:26:48 -0600, "Dawne Peterson"
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>>Some people on welfare live in circumstances that make cooking really
>>difficult. They might not have a working oven; sometimes they are cooking
>>on hotplates. Microwaves are pretty cheap compared to electric ranges. One
>>of the great things our foodbank does is offer kitchen facilities, so people
>>can actually cook with proper working stoves and good pots and utensils.
>>They also have the help of the local Home Economists organization, as some
>>people, especially if they are from several generations of welfare, had no
>>one who had skills to pass to them. Many are glad to learn how to take the
>>assortment of vegetables they might get and turn it into a good soup that
>>will last several days.
>>Dawne
>
> We have a programme too (for those who will take it) to basically
> teach them how to cook good, nutritious meals made much more cheaply.
> They are not exactly lining up to take the course though, it's
> depressing.
>
> I know it is not pc but some of these are second and third generation
> welfare cases; they have grown up with role models who displayed no
> work ethics and no basic housekeeping skills. It's not realistic to
> think they will develop those skills from thin air.
>
> I am not condemning, just stating and totally at a loss to know how to
> remedy it.
In one of the small towns in which I lived for a few years, they had a
very interesting way of dealing with it. Being a small town, there was
only one community food bank. If a person with a full food stamp
allotment came in for a third month in a row, she (it was usually a she)
was referred to free local nutrition classes, and was not permitted to
have subsequent distribution from the food bank unless she had proof she
had been to the class. They had to at least learn *something* at those
classes!
Olwyn Mary in New Orleans
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Posted by Dawne Peterson on April 28, 2009, 11:46 am
"Olwyn Mary" wrote
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>>>Some people on welfare live in circumstances that make cooking really
>>>difficult. They might not have a working oven; sometimes they are
>>>cooking on hotplates. Microwaves are pretty cheap compared to electric
>>>ranges. One of the great things our foodbank does is offer kitchen
>>>facilities, so people can actually cook with proper working stoves and
>>>good pots and utensils. They also have the help of the local Home
>>>Economists organization, as some people, especially if they are from
>>>several generations of welfare, had no one who had skills to pass to
>>>them. Many are glad to learn how to take the assortment of vegetables
>>>they might get and turn it into a good soup that will last several days.
>>>Dawne
>> We have a programme too (for those who will take it) to basically
>> teach them how to cook good, nutritious meals made much more cheaply.
>> They are not exactly lining up to take the course though, it's
>> depressing.
>> I know it is not pc but some of these are second and third generation
>> welfare cases; they have grown up with role models who displayed no
>> work ethics and no basic housekeeping skills. It's not realistic to
>> think they will develop those skills from thin air. I am not condemning,
>> just stating and totally at a loss to know how to
>> remedy it.
> In one of the small towns in which I lived for a few years, they had a
> very interesting way of dealing with it. Being a small town, there was
> only one community food bank. If a person with a full food stamp
> allotment came in for a third month in a row, she (it was usually a she)
> was referred to free local nutrition classes, and was not permitted to
> have subsequent distribution from the food bank unless she had proof she
> had been to the class. They had to at least learn *something* at those
> classes!
It works a bit differently up here--there are no food stamps. A person on
welfare gets a basic monthly cheque, and works out their own costs from
there. So there is no controlling how they spend it, unless they are
totally off the rails. The Food Bank here takes people on referral, which
might be through Social Services, but might also be through a church or
other community organization, so it doesn't only serve welfare people.
Some of the takeup on its cooking and shopping programs are from people who
are not welfare recipients, but are making a transition from a time when
they never had to think about what they bought or spent (so, run into the
grocery store and pick up the precooked meals, stop for takeout etc) and now
have to learn how to stretch a much smaller income (job loss, family breakup
etc).
The Food Bank itself provides a lot of canned goods, because for safety
reasons it solicits non-perishable donations from the public. So sometimes
the basic food basket in a way encourages the non-cooking that people are
used to.
It is a hard thing to be hungry, and sad that for many people, the solution
is still to eat a lot of "fill up" stuff with limited nutritional value.
Dawne
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Posted by MelissaD on May 1, 2009, 3:59 pm
Dawne Peterson wrote:
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> "Olwyn Mary" wrote
>>>> Some people on welfare live in circumstances that make cooking really
>>>> difficult. They might not have a working oven; sometimes they are
>>>> cooking on hotplates. Microwaves are pretty cheap compared to electric
>>>> ranges. One of the great things our foodbank does is offer kitchen
>>>> facilities, so people can actually cook with proper working stoves and
>>>> good pots and utensils. They also have the help of the local Home
>>>> Economists organization, as some people, especially if they are from
>>>> several generations of welfare, had no one who had skills to pass to
>>>> them. Many are glad to learn how to take the assortment of vegetables
>>>> they might get and turn it into a good soup that will last several days.
>>>> Dawne
>>> We have a programme too (for those who will take it) to basically
>>> teach them how to cook good, nutritious meals made much more cheaply.
>>> They are not exactly lining up to take the course though, it's
>>> depressing.
>>> I know it is not pc but some of these are second and third generation
>>> welfare cases; they have grown up with role models who displayed no
>>> work ethics and no basic housekeeping skills. It's not realistic to
>>> think they will develop those skills from thin air. I am not condemning,
>>> just stating and totally at a loss to know how to
>>> remedy it.
>> In one of the small towns in which I lived for a few years, they had a
>> very interesting way of dealing with it. Being a small town, there was
>> only one community food bank. If a person with a full food stamp
>> allotment came in for a third month in a row, she (it was usually a she)
>> was referred to free local nutrition classes, and was not permitted to
>> have subsequent distribution from the food bank unless she had proof she
>> had been to the class. They had to at least learn *something* at those
>> classes!
> It works a bit differently up here--there are no food stamps. A person on
> welfare gets a basic monthly cheque, and works out their own costs from
> there. So there is no controlling how they spend it, unless they are
> totally off the rails. The Food Bank here takes people on referral, which
> might be through Social Services, but might also be through a church or
> other community organization, so it doesn't only serve welfare people.
>
> Some of the takeup on its cooking and shopping programs are from people who
> are not welfare recipients, but are making a transition from a time when
> they never had to think about what they bought or spent (so, run into the
> grocery store and pick up the precooked meals, stop for takeout etc) and now
> have to learn how to stretch a much smaller income (job loss, family breakup
> etc).
>
> The Food Bank itself provides a lot of canned goods, because for safety
> reasons it solicits non-perishable donations from the public. So sometimes
> the basic food basket in a way encourages the non-cooking that people are
> used to.
>
> It is a hard thing to be hungry, and sad that for many people, the solution
> is still to eat a lot of "fill up" stuff with limited nutritional value.
>
> Dawne
>
>
>
We're fortunate to live in a semi-rural area (town is getting very
close!) and many of us grow our own veggies.
The past few years the Food Bank has actively solicited fresh produce
donations from us and it's great. I can get rid of all those extra
zucchini that grow at night when I'm not watching and the families that
need the help get some fresh food too besides just the canned and boxed
regular donations.
MelissaD
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>>>>in tow who fill their supermarket trolley with ready-prepared food
>>>>(burgers etc) and tinned produce Maureen often comments that with what
>>>>they spent they could buy a couple of joints of meat and some fresh
>>>>vegetables and, for the cost of an hour or two in preparation, give
>>>>their family several decent, much healthier and tastier meals.
>>> The one that bugs me is to see that mother/father with a carton of
>>> potato salad, the price of ready-made salad is about 10lbs of spuds
>>> and a jar of mayo and whatever else one likes to add to it.
>>I wonder??? 10 lbs. of potatoes is probably about $4 to $5. I buy one
>>at a time for baking so I'm not sure! A jar of mayonnaise here is
>>around
>>$3. Now how does one figure in the time it takes to peel all those
>>potatoes, cook them, dry them and add all the ingredients necessary to
>>give
>>it a really good taste?
>>Given the fact that so many families are made up of people who work full
>>time and don't get home until 6 or 7 p.m., how can you figure the real
>>cost
>>of 10 lbs. of potato salad?
>>I'm not advocating using prepared or fast food or saying that mothers must
>>stay home and take care of home and hearth. That's a whole other
>>discussion.
>>Just thinking about it.
> I don't like myself much for noticing it but it is clear that most of
> these carts are pushed by people on welfare! They aren't working and
> could take all day, every day, to make potato salad non-stop.