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Posted by Susan Hartman on July 12, 2009, 4:53 pm
ellice wrote:
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> I think there's been at least a little movement to go back to teaching
> arithmetic and basics again. Not letting calculators be used until the
> rudimentary parts are learned. Not sure about the hand-writing thing. I
> wonder if they do that at the early learning to write stages. Certainly it
> seems like children are expected to do their reports neatly typed and
> printed from the computer. Now the emphasis is on format, learning to do
> proper citations, etc - and not on the physical neat penmanship.
>
> ellice
>
Hey, did you read the Baltimore paper today? (Actually, maybe you did,
because they share writers with the Washington Post.)
Front-page story:
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/education/bal-md.math12jul12,0,39197.story
(seems it's a pretty slow news day)
DD is not great at math, but arithmetic - she's brilliant, as long as
money is involved. She can figure a tip, make change, add prices, figure
out sale prices based on discounts, etc. - but take out the decimals,
and she's lost, LOL! Just numbers don't have much meaning, but make it
prices, or salaries, and suddenly it's *something.*
Sue
--
Susan Hartman/Dirty Linen
The Magazine of Folk and World Music
www.dirtylinen.com
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Posted by ellice on July 12, 2009, 5:41 pm
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> ellice wrote:
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>> I think there's been at least a little movement to go back to teaching
>> arithmetic and basics again. Not letting calculators be used until the
>> rudimentary parts are learned. Not sure about the hand-writing thing. I
>> wonder if they do that at the early learning to write stages. Certainly it
>> seems like children are expected to do their reports neatly typed and
>> printed from the computer. Now the emphasis is on format, learning to do
>> proper citations, etc - and not on the physical neat penmanship.
>>
>> ellice
>>
>
>
> Hey, did you read the Baltimore paper today? (Actually, maybe you did,
> because they share writers with the Washington Post.)
>
> Front-page story:
> http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/education/bal-md.math12jul12,0,39197.story
>
> (seems it's a pretty slow news day)
>
> DD is not great at math, but arithmetic - she's brilliant, as long as
> money is involved. She can figure a tip, make change, add prices, figure
> out sale prices based on discounts, etc. - but take out the decimals,
> and she's lost, LOL! Just numbers don't have much meaning, but make it
> prices, or salaries, and suddenly it's *something.*
>
> Sue
>
Hadn't read it yet. We actually stopped our daily Wash Post, as an economy
matter. But, I'm debating getting it back, or just the NY Times for the
weekends. It is a timely article. In the meantime I've spent much of the
day working on this stupid loan modification package and now the DH came
home from softball - his own doubleheader, then subbing for another team, he
could sign where needed and I'm faxing the 41 page document. The
auto-feeder only takes 30 pages, so I'm watching the feeder and gently
adding groups of pages!
Ack. Plus, planning a lovely weekend in NJ - way up in "Hope" - for his
aunt's 90th B-day. Just heard from the cousins that the horrible SILs are
coming. He hasn't spoken to the better (read this selfish, mean, owes us
money but not crazy) one for a few months. She's evidently driving up
somehow and picking up the worse (crazy, very doubly mean, won't take her
meds, socially awkward, paranoid, alcoholic) one at the airport. And
they're staying at the lovely Inn where we stayed 2 years ago. So, I don't
think I can deal with being in the same lovely little inn, plus - they told
us at least $225 to $245 for a room for one night (but they do take the
dog), including breakfast. It's only a few miles from the party. Otherwise,
it's been checking the web shopping for deals about 12-15 mi away - which
are about $90, and some will take the dog. What to do.
Oh, for the curious - link to the inn:
http://www.innatmillracepond.com/
Ack. Well, DH has to ref tonight. And I should go down and do the kitchen
shuffle of empty dishwasher, load dishwasher, start cooking something. The
fax finished scanning all, and now says it's on page 9 being sent. Woohoo.
Ellice
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Posted by Lucille on July 12, 2009, 9:40 am
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>> I know that well - more than one spelling error, untidy, ink blots etc
>> and even really important exams would not be read. They even had a
>> format as to how to lay it out on the page, we spent at least one
>> lesson early on learning that. Neatness was godliness.
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> I little while ago a young girl in my office asked me what the large piece
> of light brown paper was doing on my desk. I replied that it was a
> blotter. She had no idea what a blotter was or did. Rather than explain
> the procedure for filling a fountain pen with ink (a what and what),
> writing something on a piece of paper and blotting it dry I pointed to a
> dictionary in a book case and said, "look up the word blotter" which she
> did. Sadly she did not ask any further questions or ask for a demo. I
> guess I have an above average dictionary. LOL IIRC a cheque written with a
> ball point pen was still not legal around 1960. I've haven't tried lately
> but cheques written with red ink or ball point pens with red ink were
> never accepted. First, red ink used to mean the number was negative, plus
> things written in red ink didn't photo-copy very well.
I think things that banks will do are a lot different since then. At least
they were in my area of this country.
I worked for a major fund raising organizastion and back in the late 80's I
will never, ever forget having someone hand me a personal check, ripped out
of a grungy checkbook, with one corner torn off and a couple of smudgtes
right down the middle (I had no desire to find out what the smudges were.)
The check was in the amount of $1,500,000 and was the first payment on a
very large pledge for a new computer department in the college we funded.
I held that check in my hand until our security guards came to take it to
the bank for me. Why it scared me like that I'll never know, but I guess
those numbers made me numb.
The bank accepted it without a blink or a nod.
Lucille
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> Fred
> http://www.stitchaway.com
> If nothing changes, nothing changes.
> Don't back stitch to email, just stitchit.
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Posted by Bruce Fletcher (remove denture on July 12, 2009, 10:28 am
Fred wrote:
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> Formatting - Geeeeesh - You mean those three imaginary horizontal lines on
> the page where, "Master Fred", THOU SHALT place the proper part of a
> character or number below the center line and THOU SHALT place the proper
> part of a character or number above the center line and THOU SHALT NOT place
> any part of a character or number above the top imaginary line or below the
> bottom imaginary line???? hah, I remember some poor souls not only lost
> marks on their exam pages they were forced to spend a few days back in a
> grade one or a grade two class practising their writing skills on the
> blackboard. If a teacher did that today they would probably get fired or
> assaulted by the student's parents.
Sounds like Vere Foster handwriting, brings back memories of being
taught "joined up" writing when I was about 6 or 7.
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<http://www.fulltable.com/VTS/a/artman/wr.htm>
--
Bruce Fletcher
Stronsay, Orkney UK
"Pieces of 9! pieces of 9!" Parrotty error
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Posted by Lucille on July 12, 2009, 10:42 am
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> Fred wrote:
>> Formatting - Geeeeesh - You mean those three imaginary horizontal lines
>> on the page where, "Master Fred", THOU SHALT place the proper part of a
>> character or number below the center line and THOU SHALT place the proper
>> part of a character or number above the center line and THOU SHALT NOT
>> place any part of a character or number above the top imaginary line or
>> below the bottom imaginary line???? hah, I remember some poor souls not
>> only lost marks on their exam pages they were forced to spend a few days
>> back in a grade one or a grade two class practising their writing skills
>> on the blackboard. If a teacher did that today they would probably get
>> fired or assaulted by the student's parents.
> Sounds like Vere Foster handwriting, brings back memories of being taught
> "joined up" writing when I was about 6 or 7.
> --
> Bruce Fletcher
> Stronsay, Orkney UK
> "Pieces of 9! pieces of 9!" Parrotty error
Not just in Great Britain. I spent many an hour on those boring lessons
back in Brooklyn too, but I never really had a good handwriting. I know way
too many people my age whose cursive writing never got good enough to read
so I suppose it wasn't particularly helpful, but the teachers loved it for a
break from real teaching.
Now with computers do they still make such a fuss over handwriting?
Lucille
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> I think there's been at least a little movement to go back to teaching
> arithmetic and basics again. Not letting calculators be used until the
> rudimentary parts are learned. Not sure about the hand-writing thing. I
> wonder if they do that at the early learning to write stages. Certainly it
> seems like children are expected to do their reports neatly typed and
> printed from the computer. Now the emphasis is on format, learning to do
> proper citations, etc - and not on the physical neat penmanship.
>
> ellice
>