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Posted by ellice on July 9, 2009, 4:43 pm
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> On Wed, 8 Jul 2009 21:33:12 -0600, "Dawne Peterson"
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>>
>> "Bruce Fletcher wrote
>>> Dawne Peterson wrote:
>>>>> --
>>>> That's the date in my world too--but it puts me in a definite minority,
>>>> along with putting a comma before "and" in a list of things and making a
>>>> line through the number 7.
>>>
>>>
>>> Ah, the Oxford comma...
>>> --
>> Yes. I have no explanation for why exactly, but at some point during my
>> four years at geek school, each of these became The Thing We Must Do.
>> Dawne
>>
>
> I have always crossed my sevens, I was told it was an 'accounting'
> thing to do so that 1s were never mistaken for 7s if written hastily.
I think the crossed 7 is a common engineering/science/math/programming
thing. I also tend to slash 0s, and when writing things will do the little
symbol for a blank space - kind of a small b with a slash thru it. Plus, I
also slash Zs - which I'm sure is to avoid confusion with 2s.
ellice
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Posted by Olwyn.Mary on July 9, 2009, 5:04 pm
ellice wrote:
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>>On Wed, 8 Jul 2009 21:33:12 -0600, "Dawne Peterson"
>>>"Bruce Fletcher wrote
>>>>Dawne Peterson wrote:
>>>>>>--
>>>>>That's the date in my world too--but it puts me in a definite minority,
>>>>>along with putting a comma before "and" in a list of things and making a
>>>>>line through the number 7.
>>>>Ah, the Oxford comma...
>>>>--
>>>Yes. I have no explanation for why exactly, but at some point during my
>>>four years at geek school, each of these became The Thing We Must Do.
>>>Dawne
>>I have always crossed my sevens, I was told it was an 'accounting'
>>thing to do so that 1s were never mistaken for 7s if written hastily.
>
>
> I think the crossed 7 is a common engineering/science/math/programming
> thing. I also tend to slash 0s, and when writing things will do the little
> symbol for a blank space - kind of a small b with a slash thru it. Plus, I
> also slash Zs - which I'm sure is to avoid confusion with 2s.
>
> ellice
>
OTOH, I checked with my dh, who is a retired naval architect, trained in
England in the days when they spent three months of their apprenticeship
learning how to "letter" things. He has never, ever, crossed 4s or 7s
or 0s. He is, however, still a very, very neat printer.
I guess it all depends on where and when you were trained.
Olwyn Mary in New Orleans.
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Posted by ellice on July 9, 2009, 6:15 pm
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> ellice wrote:
>>
>>
>>> On Wed, 8 Jul 2009 21:33:12 -0600, "Dawne Peterson"
>>>
>>>
>>>> "Bruce Fletcher wrote
>>>>
>>>>> Dawne Peterson wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's the date in my world too--but it puts me in a definite minority,
>>>>>> along with putting a comma before "and" in a list of things and making a
>>>>>> line through the number 7.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Ah, the Oxford comma...
>>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> Yes. I have no explanation for why exactly, but at some point during my
>>>> four years at geek school, each of these became The Thing We Must Do.
>>>> Dawne
>>>>
>>>
>>> I have always crossed my sevens, I was told it was an 'accounting'
>>> thing to do so that 1s were never mistaken for 7s if written hastily.
>>
>>
>> I think the crossed 7 is a common engineering/science/math/programming
>> thing. I also tend to slash 0s, and when writing things will do the little
>> symbol for a blank space - kind of a small b with a slash thru it. Plus, I
>> also slash Zs - which I'm sure is to avoid confusion with 2s.
>>
>> ellice
>>
>
> OTOH, I checked with my dh, who is a retired naval architect, trained in
> England in the days when they spent three months of their apprenticeship
> learning how to "letter" things. He has never, ever, crossed 4s or 7s
> or 0s. He is, however, still a very, very neat printer.
>
> I guess it all depends on where and when you were trained.
>
> Olwyn Mary in New Orleans.
I'd venture to say that your DH is a fair amount older than me. The number
crossing was more something that came with writing computer code. For
drafting classes - not - except for some did slashed 0s - electrical code,
symbols, etc. I'm just old enough to have been the absolute last class at
my uni that had to do the full semester of drafting by hand, not CAD. And,
indeed, can letter as either an architect, or an engineer - mostly depending
on my mood.
Ellice
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Posted by Lucille on July 9, 2009, 6:35 pm
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>> ellice wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 8 Jul 2009 21:33:12 -0600, "Dawne Peterson"
>>>>> "Bruce Fletcher wrote
>>>>>> Dawne Peterson wrote:
>>>>>>>> But in the UK it won't be 7-8-9 for another month, today is 8-7-9
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> That's the date in my world too--but it puts me in a definite
>>>>>>> minority,
>>>>>>> along with putting a comma before "and" in a list of things and
>>>>>>> making a
>>>>>>> line through the number 7.
>>>>>> Ah, the Oxford comma...
>>>>>> --
>>>>> Yes. I have no explanation for why exactly, but at some point during
>>>>> my
>>>>> four years at geek school, each of these became The Thing We Must Do.
>>>>> Dawne
>>>> I have always crossed my sevens, I was told it was an 'accounting'
>>>> thing to do so that 1s were never mistaken for 7s if written hastily.
>>> I think the crossed 7 is a common engineering/science/math/programming
>>> thing. I also tend to slash 0s, and when writing things will do the
>>> little
>>> symbol for a blank space - kind of a small b with a slash thru it.
>>> Plus, I
>>> also slash Zs - which I'm sure is to avoid confusion with 2s.
>>> ellice
>> OTOH, I checked with my dh, who is a retired naval architect, trained in
>> England in the days when they spent three months of their apprenticeship
>> learning how to "letter" things. He has never, ever, crossed 4s or 7s
>> or 0s. He is, however, still a very, very neat printer.
>> I guess it all depends on where and when you were trained.
>> Olwyn Mary in New Orleans.
> I'd venture to say that your DH is a fair amount older than me. The
> number
> crossing was more something that came with writing computer code. For
> drafting classes - not - except for some did slashed 0s - electrical code,
> symbols, etc. I'm just old enough to have been the absolute last class at
> my uni that had to do the full semester of drafting by hand, not CAD.
> And,
> indeed, can letter as either an architect, or an engineer - mostly
> depending
> on my mood.
> Ellice
Your probably right. My DDH was an electrical/engineer/designer/draftsmen
and didn't use the slashes, except for the letter Z in his name. His
handwriting was unintelligible and he printed everything as though he was
doing a blue print.
I remember well when he was asked to buy a CAD system for his place as an
experiment and he came home with the 5" thick manuals to study at home,
without a computer handy to try anything on. Within 3 months he was wowing
the execs in his office with using it and was doing demos for people they
were flying in from all over the country to see this miracle computer
program.
I don't think anyone, certainly not me, had ever seen a zero with slash
through it before that. I'm wondering if that came in with computerized
number systems?
Lucille
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Posted by ellice on July 10, 2009, 2:04 pm
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>>
>>> ellice wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 8 Jul 2009 21:33:12 -0600, "Dawne Peterson"
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Bruce Fletcher wrote
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dawne Peterson wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> But in the UK it won't be 7-8-9 for another month, today is 8-7-9
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That's the date in my world too--but it puts me in a definite
>>>>>>>> minority,
>>>>>>>> along with putting a comma before "and" in a list of things and
>>>>>>>> making a
>>>>>>>> line through the number 7.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ah, the Oxford comma...
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes. I have no explanation for why exactly, but at some point during
>>>>>> my
>>>>>> four years at geek school, each of these became The Thing We Must Do.
>>>>>> Dawne
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I have always crossed my sevens, I was told it was an 'accounting'
>>>>> thing to do so that 1s were never mistaken for 7s if written hastily.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I think the crossed 7 is a common engineering/science/math/programming
>>>> thing. I also tend to slash 0s, and when writing things will do the
>>>> little
>>>> symbol for a blank space - kind of a small b with a slash thru it.
>>>> Plus, I
>>>> also slash Zs - which I'm sure is to avoid confusion with 2s.
>>>>
>>>> ellice
>>>>
>>>
>>> OTOH, I checked with my dh, who is a retired naval architect, trained in
>>> England in the days when they spent three months of their apprenticeship
>>> learning how to "letter" things. He has never, ever, crossed 4s or 7s
>>> or 0s. He is, however, still a very, very neat printer.
>>>
>>> I guess it all depends on where and when you were trained.
>>>
>>> Olwyn Mary in New Orleans.
>>
>> I'd venture to say that your DH is a fair amount older than me. The
>> number
>> crossing was more something that came with writing computer code. For
>> drafting classes - not - except for some did slashed 0s - electrical code,
>> symbols, etc. I'm just old enough to have been the absolute last class at
>> my uni that had to do the full semester of drafting by hand, not CAD.
>> And,
>> indeed, can letter as either an architect, or an engineer - mostly
>> depending
>> on my mood.
>>
>> Ellice
>>
>
> Your probably right. My DDH was an electrical/engineer/designer/draftsmen
> and didn't use the slashes, except for the letter Z in his name. His
> handwriting was unintelligible and he printed everything as though he was
> doing a blue print.
My DF as well - was an electronics & manufacturing engineer. Hence the
reason I was reading schematics in 2nd grade (I don't remember doing them
earlier - but I built some electrical gizmo then). I actually have his
slide rule from college. And his gorgeous drafting tools. Plus we have
DH's fathers stuff. We're regular antique depositories of geekdom here.
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> I remember well when he was asked to buy a CAD system for his place as an
> experiment and he came home with the 5" thick manuals to study at home,
> without a computer handy to try anything on. Within 3 months he was wowing
> the execs in his office with using it and was doing demos for people they
> were flying in from all over the country to see this miracle computer
> program.
I can imagine. Going to grad school at CMU, which has a very famous Robotics
Institute - I got to see some amazing, early CAD/CAM systems coming into
being. My office was in the building section which attached to the Robotics
group. When I started working, I remember one of the groups getting in a
CAD system - and the guy who was going to guru it got to take classes at
Maryland & Hopkins to master the system. The early ones - pretty complex in
instructions, use. Now, you have set-ups that are more easily used for most
people, and then there are the more complicated ones.
Same thing with scheduling software. There's the pretty straightforward
stuff like MS Project, and then there's Primavera, or more complicated
schdeuling stuff which goes through more of the probability calculations.
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> I don't think anyone, certainly not me, had ever seen a zero with slash
> through it before that. I'm wondering if that came in with computerized
> number systems?
>
> Lucille
>
IME I think so. To be very sure when typing (or keypunching) a 0 versus an
O. Makes a difference when you're trying to read code without taking
forever.
Ellice
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>>
>> "Bruce Fletcher wrote
>>> Dawne Peterson wrote:
>>>>> --
>>>> That's the date in my world too--but it puts me in a definite minority,
>>>> along with putting a comma before "and" in a list of things and making a
>>>> line through the number 7.
>>>
>>>
>>> Ah, the Oxford comma...
>>> --
>> Yes. I have no explanation for why exactly, but at some point during my
>> four years at geek school, each of these became The Thing We Must Do.
>> Dawne
>>
>
> I have always crossed my sevens, I was told it was an 'accounting'
> thing to do so that 1s were never mistaken for 7s if written hastily.