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Posted by ellice on July 10, 2009, 5:58 pm
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> ellice wrote:
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>> In the 90s - the scripts you see used for the web became more what people
>> see a lot of - JAVA, JAVA+, PERL, etc. HTML - just the formatting basic
>> language for web presentation. I had a consulting job that forced me to
>> learn to write PERL scripts - was not a joy for me - I'm not a web geek.
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> Just to be totally pedantic Perl wasn't developed as a
> web language. It was developed in 1987 by Larry Wall as a
> unix scripting language (at which it completely rocks). It
> is an amazingly elegant and effective scripting language.
>
> Best wishes,
> Ericka
Yeah - but as you know - I'm not a PERL geek. And the application that I
had to learn it for involved implementing the script for an interactive web
thing. So, it was not a thrilling experience - as the original script
written by some grad student didn't do what it was supposed to do, which
meant my client (this was a tech conference for the Artificial Intelligence
Research geeks) just couldn't believe that what I was given didn't work, so
I had to fix it. Very big PITA. The clients were insisting that something
that could've been done in a simpler less fancy way - for less time and
money had to be done this way as it was so cool, and after all - this is a
bunch of world famous experts in their field. Ahem.
Thanks for the pedanticism.
Ellice
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Posted by Ericka Kammerer on July 11, 2009, 8:27 am
ellice wrote:
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>> ellice wrote:
>>> In the 90s - the scripts you see used for the web became more what people
>>> see a lot of - JAVA, JAVA+, PERL, etc. HTML - just the formatting basic
>>> language for web presentation. I had a consulting job that forced me to
>>> learn to write PERL scripts - was not a joy for me - I'm not a web geek.
>> Just to be totally pedantic Perl wasn't developed as a
>> web language. It was developed in 1987 by Larry Wall as a
>> unix scripting language (at which it completely rocks). It
>> is an amazingly elegant and effective scripting language.
>
> Yeah - but as you know - I'm not a PERL geek. And the application that I
> had to learn it for involved implementing the script for an interactive web
> thing. So, it was not a thrilling experience - as the original script
> written by some grad student didn't do what it was supposed to do, which
> meant my client (this was a tech conference for the Artificial Intelligence
> Research geeks) just couldn't believe that what I was given didn't work, so
> I had to fix it. Very big PITA. The clients were insisting that something
> that could've been done in a simpler less fancy way - for less time and
> money had to be done this way as it was so cool, and after all - this is a
> bunch of world famous experts in their field. Ahem.
Well, it's never fun to try to fix someone else's botched
code, as the reason it doesn't work is often that they took entirely
the wrong approach ;-) Easier to start from scratch sometimes! And
I will say this about Perl--it's a language that gives you more than
enough rope to hang yourself. It assumes you really know what you're
doing and doesn't have controls to prevent you from shooting yourself
in the foot. So, poorly written Perl code can be an absolute monster.
I wouldn't want to inherit Perl code from anyone who wasn't really
good at it ;-) My husband, who's the real Perl god, frequently just
rewrites from scratch--and often ends up with half the code to do
twice the work.
Best wishes,
Ericka
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Posted by ellice on July 11, 2009, 11:59 am
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> ellice wrote:
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>>> ellice wrote:
>>>
>>>> In the 90s - the scripts you see used for the web became more what people
>>>> see a lot of - JAVA, JAVA+, PERL, etc. HTML - just the formatting basic
>>>> language for web presentation. I had a consulting job that forced me to
>>>> learn to write PERL scripts - was not a joy for me - I'm not a web geek.
>>> Just to be totally pedantic Perl wasn't developed as a
>>> web language. It was developed in 1987 by Larry Wall as a
>>> unix scripting language (at which it completely rocks). It
>>> is an amazingly elegant and effective scripting language.
>>
>> Yeah - but as you know - I'm not a PERL geek. And the application that I
>> had to learn it for involved implementing the script for an interactive web
>> thing. So, it was not a thrilling experience - as the original script
>> written by some grad student didn't do what it was supposed to do, which
>> meant my client (this was a tech conference for the Artificial Intelligence
>> Research geeks) just couldn't believe that what I was given didn't work, so
>> I had to fix it. Very big PITA. The clients were insisting that something
>> that could've been done in a simpler less fancy way - for less time and
>> money had to be done this way as it was so cool, and after all - this is a
>> bunch of world famous experts in their field. Ahem.
>
> Well, it's never fun to try to fix someone else's botched
> code, as the reason it doesn't work is often that they took entirely
> the wrong approach ;-) Easier to start from scratch sometimes! And
> I will say this about Perl--it's a language that gives you more than
> enough rope to hang yourself. It assumes you really know what you're
> doing and doesn't have controls to prevent you from shooting yourself
> in the foot. So, poorly written Perl code can be an absolute monster.
> I wouldn't want to inherit Perl code from anyone who wasn't really
> good at it ;-) My husband, who's the real Perl god, frequently just
> rewrites from scratch--and often ends up with half the code to do
> twice the work.
>
> Best wishes,
> Ericka
Yup - you hit the nail on the head. I bought the SAMs book, worked through
it, and after trying to fix the mess, essentially just wrote new code.
Maybe not so elegant - but it worked. Didn't help that the grad student was
in Spain and his professor didn't really get what the guy had done or not
done.
Ellice
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Posted by Bruce Fletcher (remove denture on July 10, 2009, 6:44 pm
Ericka Kammerer wrote:
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> ellice wrote:
>
>> In the 90s - the scripts you see used for the web became more what people
>> see a lot of - JAVA, JAVA+, PERL, etc. HTML - just the formatting basic
>> language for web presentation. I had a consulting job that forced me to
>> learn to write PERL scripts - was not a joy for me - I'm not a web geek.
>
> Just to be totally pedantic Perl wasn't developed as a
> web language. It was developed in 1987 by Larry Wall as a
> unix scripting language (at which it completely rocks). It
> is an amazingly elegant and effective scripting language.
>
> Best wishes,
> Ericka
Yes! Got the camel book
--
Bruce Fletcher
Stronsay, Orkney UK
"Pieces of 9! pieces of 9!" Parrotty error
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Posted by Ericka Kammerer on July 11, 2009, 8:33 am
Bruce Fletcher (remove dentures to reply) wrote:
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> Ericka Kammerer wrote:
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>> Just to be totally pedantic Perl wasn't developed as a
>> web language. It was developed in 1987 by Larry Wall as a
>> unix scripting language (at which it completely rocks). It
>> is an amazingly elegant and effective scripting language.
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> Yes! Got the camel book
Gotta have the camel book ;-) At least one baby had
a camel onesie (courtesy of DH's workmates). We have lots of
camels around the house/DH's office. The license plates on one
of the cars reads "PERL HKR" (as in "just another..."). The
funny thing is that it's a fairly regular occurrence that
someone will leave a business card under the wipers or roll
down a window at a stoplight and offer whoever's driving a
job! ;-) I know, I know, sadly geeky. But amusing. We were
sad to no longer have a VW Bug with a license plate that read
"FEATURE." Not *that* one really brought out the geeks.
Best wishes,
Ericka
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>> In the 90s - the scripts you see used for the web became more what people
>> see a lot of - JAVA, JAVA+, PERL, etc. HTML - just the formatting basic
>> language for web presentation. I had a consulting job that forced me to
>> learn to write PERL scripts - was not a joy for me - I'm not a web geek.
>
> Just to be totally pedantic Perl wasn't developed as a
> web language. It was developed in 1987 by Larry Wall as a
> unix scripting language (at which it completely rocks). It
> is an amazingly elegant and effective scripting language.
>
> Best wishes,
> Ericka