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Posted by on October 30, 2009, 7:21 am
On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 21:41:33 -0500, Dianne Lewandowski
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>lucretiaborgia@fl.it wrote:
>> At the least, it is uncommonly bad manners.
>And you are Miss Manners? Not even close.
>Dianne
Give up Dianne and accept that you didn't know squat about forums
linking themselves to usenet groups. Are you telling us you approve ?
Do you comprehend that the poor woman who wanted advice would never
see her post here and would only see any suggestions that the forum
idiot condescended to repost over at the forum for her ?
Shows that the forum idiot knows very little, it was after all a
knitting question and would do better on a knitting group, whose name
I won't suggest in case he/she does not already link to them.
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Posted by Jinx Minx on October 30, 2009, 8:19 am
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> On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 21:41:33 -0500, Dianne Lewandowski
>>lucretiaborgia@fl.it wrote:
>>> At the least, it is uncommonly bad manners.
>>And you are Miss Manners? Not even close.
>>Dianne
> Give up Dianne and accept that you didn't know squat about forums
> linking themselves to usenet groups. Are you telling us you approve ?
> Do you comprehend that the poor woman who wanted advice would never
> see her post here and would only see any suggestions that the forum
> idiot condescended to repost over at the forum for her ?
> Shows that the forum idiot knows very little, it was after all a
> knitting question and would do better on a knitting group, whose name
> I won't suggest in case he/she does not already link to them.
Yes, they've also got a feed of RCTYarn into their "Knitting and other yarn
carfts" group. Yes, they really spelled it "carfts".
My feelings on usenet being syndicated via RSS feeds elsewhere is mixed.
Sure, on a very basic level these "outside" sites provide a way in which to
access RCTN (which might come in handy the more that ISP's drop usenet).
People reading through these sites may or may not even know these aren't
"local forum" posts but feeds from usenet.
On the other hand, the reasoning behind capturing usenet on these outside
websites puts it into grey territory. Really, is it fair for some website
to broadcast all of our usenet posts (perhaps not even noting it's an RSS
feed but portraying it as their own forum) in order to generate traffic to
*their* website in order to make money off the subsequent advertising that
comes from having a high traffic website? Web searches for particular
needlework topics aren't going to lead web searchers to "usenet", they're
going to lead the searcher to these alternative websites. The higher the
traffic they can capture, the more money they make. In my opinion, that's
really half a step above stealing if they're doing this specifically to
profit off of "our" usenet community unbeknownst to us. Specifically,
52,272 RCTN articles they can profiteer from.
Here's a link that explains it without being too technical:
http://www.rss-specifications.com/making-money-with-rss.htm
Have to side with Sheena on this one,
Jinx
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Posted by on October 30, 2009, 8:36 am
On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 07:19:55 -0500, "Jinx Minx"
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>Yes, they've also got a feed of RCTYarn into their "Knitting and other yarn
>carfts" group. Yes, they really spelled it "carfts".
>My feelings on usenet being syndicated via RSS feeds elsewhere is mixed.
>Sure, on a very basic level these "outside" sites provide a way in which to
>access RCTN (which might come in handy the more that ISP's drop usenet).
>People reading through these sites may or may not even know these aren't
>"local forum" posts but feeds from usenet.
>On the other hand, the reasoning behind capturing usenet on these outside
>websites puts it into grey territory. Really, is it fair for some website
>to broadcast all of our usenet posts (perhaps not even noting it's an RSS
>feed but portraying it as their own forum) in order to generate traffic to
>*their* website in order to make money off the subsequent advertising that
>comes from having a high traffic website? Web searches for particular
>needlework topics aren't going to lead web searchers to "usenet", they're
>going to lead the searcher to these alternative websites. The higher the
>traffic they can capture, the more money they make. In my opinion, that's
>really half a step above stealing if they're doing this specifically to
>profit off of "our" usenet community unbeknownst to us. Specifically,
>52,272 RCTN articles they can profiteer from.
>Here's a link that explains it without being too technical:
>http://www.rss-specifications.com/making-money-with-rss.htm
>Have to side with Sheena on this one,
>Jinx
Good post and link. When this happened to another group we all got
so fed up with the dis-jointed posts (a la forum type) with no quotes
left in to make reading easy, we requested the forum leader drop the
link to us, no success there, and in the end we were just really rude
(and in some instances foul-mouthed) about the owner that finally he
did sever the link. Peace resumed !
I think mostly what we found troublesome was that most of the forum
people were young university students (hardly literate sometimes,
quite an eye opener) and they had views that were totally unlike the
rest of our group. All they seemed to want to do was talk boozing at
the pubs, trashing each other very nastily etc and in really appalling
language. There we were, minding our own business, then this
invasion. It took about six months to finally be shot of them.
Some of us actually went to his forum, joined up and started directly
posting rubbish. He got mad and if he sensed you might be an
imposter, he would not allow you to join. The whole thing had it's
funny side, it was definitely a war, but we won and were left in
peace.
Better fewer posts on rctn that being linked. We should ask, if
after all this time there is anybody here, even lurking, who came via
the link ? Somehow I doubt it, I agree with the article.
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Posted by Dianne Lewandowski on October 30, 2009, 8:54 am
Jinx Minx wrote:
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>> On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 21:41:33 -0500, Dianne Lewandowski
>>> lucretiaborgia@fl.it wrote:
>>>> At the least, it is uncommonly bad manners.
>>> And you are Miss Manners? Not even close.
>>> Dianne
>> Give up Dianne and accept that you didn't know squat about forums
>> linking themselves to usenet groups. Are you telling us you approve ?
>> Do you comprehend that the poor woman who wanted advice would never
>> see her post here and would only see any suggestions that the forum
>> idiot condescended to repost over at the forum for her ?
>> Shows that the forum idiot knows very little, it was after all a
>> knitting question and would do better on a knitting group, whose name
>> I won't suggest in case he/she does not already link to them.
>
>
> Yes, they've also got a feed of RCTYarn into their "Knitting and other yarn
> carfts" group. Yes, they really spelled it "carfts".
>
> My feelings on usenet being syndicated via RSS feeds elsewhere is mixed.
> Sure, on a very basic level these "outside" sites provide a way in which to
> access RCTN (which might come in handy the more that ISP's drop usenet).
> People reading through these sites may or may not even know these aren't
> "local forum" posts but feeds from usenet.
>
> On the other hand, the reasoning behind capturing usenet on these outside
> websites puts it into grey territory. Really, is it fair for some website
> to broadcast all of our usenet posts (perhaps not even noting it's an RSS
> feed but portraying it as their own forum) in order to generate traffic to
> *their* website in order to make money off the subsequent advertising that
> comes from having a high traffic website? Web searches for particular
> needlework topics aren't going to lead web searchers to "usenet", they're
> going to lead the searcher to these alternative websites. The higher the
> traffic they can capture, the more money they make. In my opinion, that's
> really half a step above stealing if they're doing this specifically to
> profit off of "our" usenet community unbeknownst to us. Specifically,
> 52,272 RCTN articles they can profiteer from.
>
> Here's a link that explains it without being too technical:
> http://www.rss-specifications.com/making-money-with-rss.htm
>
> Have to side with Sheena on this one,
> Jinx
>
>
Hi, Jinx. I read the article, but I'm still unsure how anyone can make
money off of it. Yes, it keeps your ranking up in the search engine.
But how does that equate to money, unless it's driving retail customers
to your site? I guess I'm just not getting it.
Dianne
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Posted by Jinx Minx on October 30, 2009, 9:00 am
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> Jinx Minx wrote:
>>> On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 21:41:33 -0500, Dianne Lewandowski
>>>> lucretiaborgia@fl.it wrote:
>>>>> At the least, it is uncommonly bad manners.
>>>> And you are Miss Manners? Not even close.
>>>> Dianne
>>> Give up Dianne and accept that you didn't know squat about forums
>>> linking themselves to usenet groups. Are you telling us you approve ?
>>> Do you comprehend that the poor woman who wanted advice would never
>>> see her post here and would only see any suggestions that the forum
>>> idiot condescended to repost over at the forum for her ?
>>> Shows that the forum idiot knows very little, it was after all a
>>> knitting question and would do better on a knitting group, whose name
>>> I won't suggest in case he/she does not already link to them.
>> Yes, they've also got a feed of RCTYarn into their "Knitting and other
>> yarn carfts" group. Yes, they really spelled it "carfts".
>> My feelings on usenet being syndicated via RSS feeds elsewhere is mixed.
>> Sure, on a very basic level these "outside" sites provide a way in which
>> to access RCTN (which might come in handy the more that ISP's drop
>> usenet). People reading through these sites may or may not even know
>> these aren't "local forum" posts but feeds from usenet.
>> On the other hand, the reasoning behind capturing usenet on these outside
>> websites puts it into grey territory. Really, is it fair for some
>> website to broadcast all of our usenet posts (perhaps not even noting
>> it's an RSS feed but portraying it as their own forum) in order to
>> generate traffic to *their* website in order to make money off the
>> subsequent advertising that comes from having a high traffic website?
>> Web searches for particular needlework topics aren't going to lead web
>> searchers to "usenet", they're going to lead the searcher to these
>> alternative websites. The higher the traffic they can capture, the more
>> money they make. In my opinion, that's really half a step above stealing
>> if they're doing this specifically to profit off of "our" usenet
>> community unbeknownst to us. Specifically, 52,272 RCTN articles they
>> can profiteer from.
>> Here's a link that explains it without being too technical:
>> http://www.rss-specifications.com/making-money-with-rss.htm
>> Have to side with Sheena on this one,
>> Jinx
> Hi, Jinx. I read the article, but I'm still unsure how anyone can make
> money off of it. Yes, it keeps your ranking up in the search engine. But
> how does that equate to money, unless it's driving retail customers to
> your site? I guess I'm just not getting it.
> Dianne
Advertisers pay the site owners in order to advertise on their high traffic
site. The higher the traffic the site can generate, the more desireable a
location to advertise on, which then generates higher advertising income for
the owner, and on and on. It's insidious, and that's my problem with it.
Both sides are profitting off of us, and we get nothing.
Jinx
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>> At the least, it is uncommonly bad manners.
>And you are Miss Manners? Not even close.
>Dianne