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Posted by ellice on October 20, 2009, 9:25 am
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> I posted earlier about this and I clearly remember that the consensus
> was that designers, shop owners, etc. were OK posting that they had
> something newly released or even a big sale going on. As long as the
> posts weren't terribly long or arm twisting, it helped out those of us
> who don't have a LNS to know what was going on and when we might be able
> to get some good bargains. It's unacceptable for some idiot in a
> foreign country to post here about the wonderful needlework stuff they
> have for sale or for the long, involved type of posts that MLI used to
> besiege us with. For a designer to tell us a new chart is soon to be
> available or even for someone like Dyan to tell us about how their shop
> handles the kitting process and resulting problems just doesn't compare
> -- IMNSHO -- as far as advertising goes. CiaoMeow >^;;^<
I agree with you, as well. Plus, when someone posts about how they put kits
together, what has worked, what to do or not - may well be interesting to
those out there who don't get to experience the inner workings of the
needlework business. Even the guild, monitored, discussion lists let folks
put up information about something from their shop, designs - while being
sure it's brief, and not a beat you over the head "I'm the best, we're the
best, buy it here" kind of thing. But people will post with where a
finisher is, who does what, a shop carrying something, etc.
I expect some people, such as Sheena shows us here, have a very low
tolerance for anything they construe as advertising - which would seem to be
anyone who gets paid for something talking about that thing. Certainly at
least when it comes to commercially known designers. While others of us
seem to feel comfortable with the grey area of sharing information without
the "ours is the best" type of push.
Bottom line, at least IMHO, as so many have pointed out, it is Usenet, and
well, the rest of the group seems pretty content to have designers post
small blurbs of info about what's new, or coming up, or SALs happening that
can be followed up elsewhere, and Sheena seems to be the only one regularly
responding negatively (not talking about the bulk spammers). So, as has so
regularly pointed out, many have a kill filter, maybe for the group peace,
those who so object to designer type blurbs should just use their filter,
not read them, not be aggravated, and let the rest of us read and respond as
we choose. Or we could just ignore the mean-spirited discussions.
Whatever will be will be. Likely to get flared at but I don't care. I will
say that these little flame series do indeed get the RCTN traffic up ;^p
Ellice
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> lucretiaborgia@fl.it wrote:
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>> On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 10:48:01 -0500, Dianne Lewandowski
>>
>>
>>> As usual, you just keep it going until others throw up their hands and
>>> you get your way. I'm sorry, but I'm not letting you get away with it.
>>
>>
>> Aah so you're a policeman ?
>>
>>
>>> I'm pointing out that you are wrong about Dyan and her posts.
>>
>>
>> No I'm not. I have quoted her ads to you but you prefer to wear
>> blindfold. A sig line was what I felt had been agreed to.
>>
>> That it
>>
>>> is - because we are a generous group - okay for designers, authors,
>>> needlework shops to post, even if there's a little bit of sneaky
>>> advertising.
>>
>> That would be a sig line, leaving it to other people to choose whether
>> to view advertising or not.
>>
>> The group as a whole has agreed to put up with it in order
>>
>>> to be all-encompassing and generous to those who supply us with our
>>> favorite pastime.
>>
>>
>> When was that ? When the group as a whole decided the best thing was
>> a sig line ?
>>
>>> Your carping at Dyan is not genteel nor what RCTN is all about and has
>>> been for the 14 years I've been a member. Neither is your snide remarks
>>> about me.
>>
>>
>> So you are permitted to accuse me of driving authors and designers
>> away but I am supposed to say "Yes Dianne, if you say so Dianne, three
>> bags full Dianne" - well sorry that's not how I see it.
>>
>>> I rarely post anymore. I just check in to see if I can help someone
>>
>>> from time to time. But your continual harping at Dyan just got to me,
>>
>>> especially since you are out of line on this one. What you are doing is
>>> just being negative, and that kind of karma is never a good thing.
>>>
>>> Dianne
>>
>>
>> I don't think Karma enters into this !
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Posted by Ruby on October 19, 2009, 2:08 pm
now I remember why I gave up even reading this ng. Sigh!!! I'll go
back to solitaire for my needle work breaks .
ruby
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Posted by Cheryl Isaak on October 19, 2009, 2:52 pm
On 10/19/09 2:08 PM, in article 4adcaaf1$0$23760$9a566e8b@news.aliant.net,
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> now I remember why I gave up even reading this ng. Sigh!!! I'll go
> back to solitaire for my needle work breaks .
> ruby
Ruby - please stick around!
Pretty please
Cheryl
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Posted by Tia Mary on October 19, 2009, 10:06 pm
lucretiaborgia@fl.it wrote:
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> ...<snipped>....
> Now how is this not blatant advertising ?
> (FROM MOI -- SHEENA QUOTING DYAN'S POST)
>> We produce kits and not often do we get a call or email regarding a
>>shortage. But it does happen. We try to allow extra for the
>>differences in workmanship but alas we don't always get it right.
>>A simple phone call or email telling us what kit you are working on
>>and what colors are short and we will have threads in the mail to you
>>same day or next.
>>Our kits have DMC pre-sorted threads on numbered cards. We do however
>>kit all our designs with Aida, so if you are one that prefers the
>>linens or evenweaves, then it just doesn't pay you to buy a kit to
>>have to replace the fabric.
I still don't see this as any sort of real advertising. Dyan *is*
sharing with the group personal stories about the company process of
kitting projects they sell. Also shared is what a customer should do if
supplies run short and how the company responds. I see nothing telling
me that they are the best, etc. etc. and we should buy from them or
anything even remotely like that.
I am a Professional Seamstress. I have been paid to do finish work
on needlework items. I post about that here. I have shared stories of
how I do the finishing, how I go about solving client problems and have
even offered to do finishing for the readers. I even started a thread
about trying to put together some sort of finishing class for CATS when
it was still in operation. Classes that I would be PAID to teach. How
is THAT not a worse form of advertising than what Dyan posted? WHY did
no one ever take me to task for my posts? Doesn't matter how much I
post here on other topics -- at least it shouldn't!
So -- why is there a double standard for better known "names" who do
a retail business and folks like MOI who get work mostly by word of
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mouth? CiaoMeow >^;;^<
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PAX, Tia Mary >^;;^< (RCTQ Queen of Kitties)
Angels can't show their wings on earth but nothing was ever said about
their whiskers!
Visit my Photo albums at http://community.webshots.com/user/tiamary
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Posted by Jinx Minx on October 20, 2009, 1:02 am
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> lucretiaborgia@fl.it wrote:
>> ...<snipped>....
>> Now how is this not blatant advertising ?
>> (FROM MOI -- SHEENA QUOTING DYAN'S POST)
>>> We produce kits and not often do we get a call or email regarding a
>>>shortage. But it does happen. We try to allow extra for the
>>>differences in workmanship but alas we don't always get it right.
>>>A simple phone call or email telling us what kit you are working on
>>>and what colors are short and we will have threads in the mail to you
>>>same day or next.
>>>Our kits have DMC pre-sorted threads on numbered cards. We do however
>>>kit all our designs with Aida, so if you are one that prefers the
>>>linens or evenweaves, then it just doesn't pay you to buy a kit to
>>>have to replace the fabric.
> I still don't see this as any sort of real advertising. Dyan *is*
> sharing with the group personal stories about the company process of
> kitting projects they sell. Also shared is what a customer should do if
> supplies run short and how the company responds. I see nothing telling me
> that they are the best, etc. etc. and we should buy from them or anything
> even remotely like that.
> I am a Professional Seamstress. I have been paid to do finish work on
> needlework items. I post about that here. I have shared stories of how I
> do the finishing, how I go about solving client problems and have even
> offered to do finishing for the readers. I even started a thread about
> trying to put together some sort of finishing class for CATS when it was
> still in operation. Classes that I would be PAID to teach. How is THAT
> not a worse form of advertising than what Dyan posted? WHY did no one
> ever take me to task for my posts? Doesn't matter how much I post here on
> other topics -- at least it shouldn't!
> So -- why is there a double standard for better known "names" who do a
> retail business and folks like MOI who get work mostly by word of mouth?
> CiaoMeow >^;;^<
> PAX, Tia Mary >^;;^< (RCTQ Queen of Kitties)
> Angels can't show their wings on earth but nothing was ever said about
> their whiskers!
> Visit my Photo albums at http://community.webshots.com/user/tiamary
I won't go into my why's and how's, but Sheena isn't the only one that sees
it as advertising, blatant or not. A wolf in sheep's clothing is still a
wolf.
Jinx
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> was that designers, shop owners, etc. were OK posting that they had
> something newly released or even a big sale going on. As long as the
> posts weren't terribly long or arm twisting, it helped out those of us
> who don't have a LNS to know what was going on and when we might be able
> to get some good bargains. It's unacceptable for some idiot in a
> foreign country to post here about the wonderful needlework stuff they
> have for sale or for the long, involved type of posts that MLI used to
> besiege us with. For a designer to tell us a new chart is soon to be
> available or even for someone like Dyan to tell us about how their shop
> handles the kitting process and resulting problems just doesn't compare
> -- IMNSHO -- as far as advertising goes. CiaoMeow >^;;^<