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Posted by Fred on December 6, 2008, 11:04 am
I wonder if anyone has considered the following;
Seeing as how the Oil Companies stand to lose a bundle if there are fewer
cars being produced maybe the Oil Companies should loan the Big Three the
$34B they are begging for. To that maybe we should also add the tire
companies as care givers.
Fred
http://www.stitchaway.com
If nothing changes, nothing changes.
Don't back stitch to email, just stitchit.
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Posted by Ruby on December 6, 2008, 11:33 am
Fred wrote:
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> I wonder if anyone has considered the following;
> Seeing as how the Oil Companies stand to lose a bundle if there are fewer
> cars being produced maybe the Oil Companies should loan the Big Three the
> $34B they are begging for. To that maybe we should also add the tire
> companies as care givers.
>
> Fred
> http://www.stitchaway.com
> If nothing changes, nothing changes.
> Don't back stitch to email, just stitchit.
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>
now thats a good idea, you should make that suggestion to US news
outlets, congress men, etc. and if that fails, Saudi Arabia might bail
them out.
as an aside, a small company drilling for natural gas has found oil in
New Brunswick.
ruby
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Posted by lucretia borgia on December 7, 2008, 8:06 am
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>> shows how much I know about large US vehicles - how many miles to the
>> gallon does and Expedition move ?
I don't know what my Nissan does, but I know I am not often at the
pump.
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>There is an ad running on TV for a car that is supposed to get a whooping 23
>miles to the gallon.
>Hell I had a 49 ford that used to give me that on gravel roads. So much for
>technology.
>On the other hand we had a 68 GMC 1 ton truck that used to get about 18
>miles per gallon which was not too bad for a work truck. The amazing thing
>was that we put a little over 3 million miles on it before we had to change
>the engine due to a bearing problem, when I measured all the other internal
>parts they were all still within factory specs. That truck (my DW who owned
>it used to call it Dixie) ran 24/7 for 3 months one winter as an emergency
>vehicle. The rest of the time it ran about 16/7. I recall that we had a
>tough time getting it off the road every 3 days for an oil change. When it
>was finally retired to the bone yard it was still in good mechanical working
>order but the frame and body was so badly rusted it was not safe to drive
>anymore. Mention Dixie around here and my DW still sheds a tear.
>My DW also had a 69 GMC 5 ton that gave very few mechanical headaches in a
>little over 1 million miles. IMHO those where the last years for GMC trucks
>that were worth the GM label.
>We have a 90 GMC (read Grand Money Consumer) 1/2 ton that we had to put in 6
>rear ends in 3 years and that miserable beast couldn't pull a 1500 lb.
>trailer over 55 mph. if we were heading for one of Stephen Hawkin's black
>holes. Add to that 3 transmission and 3 radiator replacements. No idea what
>it is like for fuel, my DS just pumps in the gas as needed, and intends to
>drive that rusted piece of GM pride until it completely rusts away which
>shouldn't take much longer as most of the paint just fell off a couple of
>years ago - he does keep the GMC emblem nice and shiny as an advertisement
>for GM<g>. Switched to Chrysler products around 94 and have to admit they
>have been well worth the money.
>I don't think that the big ? three should be bailed out with tax payer's
>money and I wonder what Castro is thinking about the way the US gommermint
>is nationalizing (read bailout) the investment bank, insurance and
>automotive companies??
>BTW mention FORD (read Fix Or Repair Daily) around here and someone will
>probably toss a valuable cup of java at you. LOL
>Fred
>http://www.stitchaway.com
>If nothing changes, nothing changes.
>Don't back stitch to email, just stitchit.
I hope the government does not consider a bailout for car companies
unless or until we have absolute assurance that the monies stay in
Canada and do not disappear to Detroit. Fair is fair and I saw some
man on television saying to hell with car plants in Canada the only
ones they would consider are ones in the US, that would be alright
with me, except he then went on to make it plain they would close all
plants here, so I think we best not give any money !
I can't say I have too much sympathy for them, when things were good
auto workers were getting $70 per hour ! Incredible, they had to know
it had to end. In addition the execs busy flying around in corporate
jets did not appreciate people liked the smaller, more economic
Japanese models and the rest is history.
I don't believe they can be fixed, better they start all over again
from scratch with none of the silly old ideas.
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Posted by Fred on December 7, 2008, 8:43 am
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>>> shows how much I know about large US vehicles - how many miles to the
>>> gallon does and Expedition move ?
> I don't know what my Nissan does, but I know I am not often at the
> pump.
>>There is an ad running on TV for a car that is supposed to get a whooping
>>23
>>miles to the gallon.
>>Hell I had a 49 ford that used to give me that on gravel roads. So much
>>for
>>technology.
>>On the other hand we had a 68 GMC 1 ton truck that used to get about 18
>>miles per gallon which was not too bad for a work truck. The amazing thing
>>was that we put a little over 3 million miles on it before we had to
>>change
>>the engine due to a bearing problem, when I measured all the other
>>internal
>>parts they were all still within factory specs. That truck (my DW who
>>owned
>>it used to call it Dixie) ran 24/7 for 3 months one winter as an emergency
>>vehicle. The rest of the time it ran about 16/7. I recall that we had a
>>tough time getting it off the road every 3 days for an oil change. When it
>>was finally retired to the bone yard it was still in good mechanical
>>working
>>order but the frame and body was so badly rusted it was not safe to drive
>>anymore. Mention Dixie around here and my DW still sheds a tear.
>>My DW also had a 69 GMC 5 ton that gave very few mechanical headaches in a
>>little over 1 million miles. IMHO those where the last years for GMC
>>trucks
>>that were worth the GM label.
>>We have a 90 GMC (read Grand Money Consumer) 1/2 ton that we had to put in
>>6
>>rear ends in 3 years and that miserable beast couldn't pull a 1500 lb.
>>trailer over 55 mph. if we were heading for one of Stephen Hawkin's black
>>holes. Add to that 3 transmission and 3 radiator replacements. No idea
>>what
>>it is like for fuel, my DS just pumps in the gas as needed, and intends to
>>drive that rusted piece of GM pride until it completely rusts away which
>>shouldn't take much longer as most of the paint just fell off a couple of
>>years ago - he does keep the GMC emblem nice and shiny as an advertisement
>>for GM<g>. Switched to Chrysler products around 94 and have to admit they
>>have been well worth the money.
>>I don't think that the big ? three should be bailed out with tax payer's
>>money and I wonder what Castro is thinking about the way the US gommermint
>>is nationalizing (read bailout) the investment bank, insurance and
>>automotive companies??
>>BTW mention FORD (read Fix Or Repair Daily) around here and someone will
>>probably toss a valuable cup of java at you. LOL
>>Fred
>>http://www.stitchaway.com
>>If nothing changes, nothing changes.
>>Don't back stitch to email, just stitchit.
> I hope the government does not consider a bailout for car companies
> unless or until we have absolute assurance that the monies stay in
> Canada and do not disappear to Detroit. Fair is fair and I saw some
> man on television saying to hell with car plants in Canada the only
> ones they would consider are ones in the US, that would be alright
> with me, except he then went on to make it plain they would close all
> plants here, so I think we best not give any money !
> I can't say I have too much sympathy for them, when things were good
> auto workers were getting $70 per hour ! Incredible, they had to know
> it had to end. In addition the execs busy flying around in corporate
> jets did not appreciate people liked the smaller, more economic
> Japanese models and the rest is history.
> I don't believe they can be fixed, better they start all over again
> from scratch with none of the silly old ideas.
Amalgamate all three of them so they can eng. one good brand. It is
ridiculous that a $6000 computer in one GM product won't work in another GM
product or in a Chrysler product, etc. etc. If there was a common computer
ie. similar to a laptop you could take out of the vehicle - guess what?? No
more drive away car thefts. Now what was the password again??LOL.
Wanna bet - for every dollar the big three get, bombardier gets at least
three! Coalition or no Coalition!!!
As an added safety precaution for the money given (actually the gommermint
should just buy bonds issued by the new company) - for every ten jobs out
sourced out of the country, out source one V.P.
Fred
http://www.stitchaway.com
If nothing changes, nothing changes.
Don't back stitch to email, just stitchit.
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Posted by Ruby on December 7, 2008, 10:36 am
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> I can't say I have too much sympathy for them, when things were good
> auto workers were getting $70 per hour ! Incredible, they had to know
> it had to end. In addition the execs busy flying around in corporate
> jets did not appreciate people liked the smaller, more economic
> Japanese models and the rest is history.
>
> I don't believe they can be fixed, better they start all over again
> from scratch with none of the silly old ideas.
unfortunately it is the benefits which are killing them, the lay off
pay, the pensions , that and the competition foreign built in USA
workers get $30 dollars less an hour.
a bail out is only staving off the inevitable. They also neglected to
mention that they have not worked out the problems with the battery for
this new car they are bringing out in 2010. The car looks great but the
battery's don't work. typical.
and don't worry sheena we Canadians contribute on a regular basis to
auto company bail outs. A couple of those companies simply will go
under, so its now or its two , three years from now.
I will drive away in my honda, which is both fuel efficient and has
many less parts that things can go wrong with. It is better engineered,
easier maintained and is worth half what we paid in a trade in and that
was 5 years ago. Silly me drove American cars until 5 years ago, the van
that the paint peeled off of, the pontiac that stalled several times a
day in all kinds of weather I could go on and on, tried them all. I was
one of these patrotiac types trying to do my bit for the Canadian
worker, but there is only so long one is willing to wait for those
companies to get it and get their act together.
so hopefully those auto workers have savings instead of just a mansion's
full of toys.
Ruby
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> Seeing as how the Oil Companies stand to lose a bundle if there are fewer
> cars being produced maybe the Oil Companies should loan the Big Three the
> $34B they are begging for. To that maybe we should also add the tire
> companies as care givers.
>
> Fred
> http://www.stitchaway.com
> If nothing changes, nothing changes.
> Don't back stitch to email, just stitchit.
>
>
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