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Posted by F.James Cripwell on September 15, 2006, 9:29 am
I expect many rctners have seen about the tragic events at Dawson
College, Montreal. Inevitably this brings up the question of gun control
in Canada. To the south of us, in the USA, this country is awash with all
types of guns. We do not have a second amendment to our Constitution, and
a Supreme Court to interpret this that anyone can own any sort of gun,
from beebee guns, through hand guns and assault rifles to half inch
machine guns. But we need as open a border with the USA as we can
possibly have, so we have a problem with gun control.
After Ecole Polytechnique and Marc Lepine in 1989, the government was
forced by public opinion to act on gun control. These measures were
opposed by many Provincial Governments, and the gun lobby in Canada. This
opposition was, IMHO, responsible for most of the cost over-runs with the
gun registry, and a bad, poorly enforced gun control measure. This time,
let us get it right.
There are only two types of guns which, IMHO, should be allowed in
Canada (except for the military and law enforcement agencies); hunting
rifles
and shot guns, each with single shot capability, and limited magazines.
***ALL*** other guns should be outlawed. Too bad on the gun enthusiasts
who want to fire other types of guns. If they want to indulge, then drive
over the border, and do the firing there.
I don't care how much this costs; future tragedies like Dawson cannot
have a dollar value put on them. And this time let us see that whatever
measures are brought in, the gun lobby must be made to abide by them. If
they insist it is their right not to obey the law, they need to be prosecuted.
I urge all Canadians to join this fight for a complete prohibition of
*all* guns in Canada, except for hunting rifles and shot guns.
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Posted by Dr. Brat on September 15, 2006, 9:55 am
F.James Cripwell wrote:
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> We do not have a second amendment to our Constitution, and
> a Supreme Court to interpret this that anyone can own any sort of gun,
> from beebee guns, through hand guns and assault rifles to half inch
> machine guns.
To the best of my knowledge, neither does the US. But that's a nice bit
of hyperbole you've written there, Jim.
Elizabeth
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Posted by ellice on September 15, 2006, 10:08 am
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> F.James Cripwell wrote:
>
>> We do not have a second amendment to our Constitution, and
>> a Supreme Court to interpret this that anyone can own any sort of gun,
>> from beebee guns, through hand guns and assault rifles to half inch
>> machine guns.
>
> To the best of my knowledge, neither does the US. But that's a nice bit
> of hyperbole you've written there, Jim.
>
> Elizabeth
Ah, I love that word hyperbole... For the record, in the District of
Columbia it is illegal to own guns (with the exceptions of law enforcement
types). There is a periodic "amnesty" when the police urge those with
weapons to bring them in, and do not charge the owners when they turn in
their weapons.
I guess the Brady law isn't readable by Jim.
ellice
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Posted by ElastiGirl on September 15, 2006, 10:35 am
bf906@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (F.James Cripwell) wrote:
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> I expect many rctners have seen about the tragic events at Dawson
> College, Montreal. Inevitably this brings up the question of gun control
> in Canada. To the south of us, in the USA, this country is awash with all
> types of guns. We do not have a second amendment to our Constitution, and
> a Supreme Court to interpret this that anyone can own any sort of gun,
> from beebee guns, through hand guns and assault rifles to half inch
> machine guns. But we need as open a border with the USA as we can
> possibly have, so we have a problem with gun control.
I have to say, I see the comment (or hear) that the USA is "awash with
guns" -- I've lived in here my entire life AND I grew up in the South.
I only know of one couple that own handguns (both trained and certified
to carry concealed, and they go to the range regularly to keep their
skills up). My father-in-law was an ex-Hells-Angel and he had a handgun,
although I never saw it in 15 years. My father had a bb-gun which was
passed on to me, I used to pride myself on being the best shot in the
neighborhood.
I just don't see that the USA is AWASH in guns. Granted there are high
crime (mostly inner city) areas that are drowning in them. And I'll
grant you that the illegal and the black markets are very worrisome --
but frankly I have a problem with the fact that laws and
penalties/punishments aren't enforced regardless of whether the topic is
gun control laws or driving laws...
Sorry for the mini rant, just PMS I guess,
EG
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Posted by Firefly on September 18, 2006, 11:23 am
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> Becky A wrote:
>> WTF are you going on about? How utterly ego-centric. I wonder how many
>> times you had to hit the backspace when typing that. .......
>> Tia Mary, have you ever visited a feedlot? ......... Dietary meat has to
>> come from somewhere .........
>> Your argument that it's uncivilized and morally wrong to hunt for food,
>> and that one should go and buy supermarket meat instead, is complete
>> horse-pucky. ......
>> Becky A.
> I never once hit the backspace key -- I meant exactly what I wrote and I
> firmly believe it, too. If you want, I can do the research to give you
> data to support what I said.
> Yes, I have visited feedlots when I visited my family in Iowa but I
> haven't been talking about how beef cattle are treated nor have I said
> people should buy beef at the grocery store. I said dietary PROTEIN --
> not necessarily meat from cattle or wild game -- is necessary. Chicken
> can take care of our protein needs with the odd hamburger or steak thrown
> in for those of us -- me included -- who like a bit of red meat on
> occasion. And what does all this stuff about fishing have to do with
> hunting? I'm certainly not discussing fishing.
> Why do you think my arguments against hunting are horse puckey and
> yours are not? It seems to be because you don't agree with my opinions. I
> have given valid and provable arguments to uphold my opinion and I have
> yet to see you or anyone else do so. All I see is everyone telling me how
> terrible I am because I stand firmly against the needless KILLING of wild
> animals who don't have a snowballs chance in hell of standing up against
> an armed human.
I`d be far more impressed to see you standing up against the cruelty
suffered by so many animals and poultry to provide your tasty steak and
chicken - not to mention those poor battery hens that provide your eggs and
the farmed salmon etc., which have to be fed chemical dyes to emulate the
colouring which is provided by their natural food in the wild! Do you ever
give a thought to the crowded conditions in which most of your Thanksgiving
or Christmas turkeys are raised? I`ll bet a wild turkey tastes better
anyway - and would have at least led a happy and natural life until it was
shot!
I know which life and death I`d prefer if I was a wild creature!
I`m not keen on the sort of sport fishing where they remove the hooks and
put them back. "Fish don`t feel pain!" Has anyone asked the fish?
Pat
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> a Supreme Court to interpret this that anyone can own any sort of gun,
> from beebee guns, through hand guns and assault rifles to half inch
> machine guns.