OT: Gun control in Canada and Dawson College.

Posted by Firefly on September 16, 2006, 11:11 am

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No, it doesn`t RILE country folk, Mary - we just realise that most townies
just haven`t a clue what they`re talking about! I find it totally
unnecessary to use a bow and arrow these days. The necessity for that passed
when guns were invented. A quick, clean brain or heart shot by an expert is
as instant and painless as you can get. It`s the hobbledehoys with little
or no real knowledge or training of shooting game properly who cause the
suffering. It`s certainly a lot kinder than some of the ways that animals
are officially killed for meat - particularly some of the ways insisted on
for religeous reasons.

By the way, deer, for example, are becoming far too numerous over here, and
as a consquence the herds are not finding sufficient food in their usual
areas. Thus they are ranging further afield leading to a terrific increase
in road kill. Therefore a certain number have to be culled for the good of
the herds. Peter has had to go on several courses on deer management to
qualify as an official deer culler/stalker. It seems to me that ANYONE who
wants to shoot deer should be obliged to do the same.

My daughter and her other half are regularly called out by the Police to
shoot injured deer which have been hit by a car. Only the other week two
had been hit, resulting in both of them breaking both front legs (which is
what often happens in a road collision). Some do-gooding tree hugger who
appeared on the scene, said "Oh look - it`s going into the bushes - let it
go and die in peace!!!" As Jane pointed out, the poor thing (one of them)
was trying to get away on the stumps of it`s front legs and it might have
taken a long while before it actually died in agony.

Pat

Posted by Tia Mary on September 16, 2006, 6:43 pm

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I might be a townie but DH isn't -- he was born and raised in the
far reaches of northern Minnesota. He grew up hunting & fishing and
when he turned 15 decided that it just wasn't that fun or necessary so
he quit. For the last 35 years of being married to him, I have "lived"
with his family who still hunt and fish for whatever is allowed during
season. The nephews all hunt and they dress their own deer or moose and
they eat the meat. By association, I have learned all of the ins & outs
of hunting -- and seen the headless, skinned carcass of a huge deer
hanging from the rafters of the nephew's garage, too!
I realize that herds must be culled but this is done by hopefully
responsible, qualified and educated people. These people, while they do
hunt the animals are not what I consider "hunters" when they are doing
this task. If all who hunt could guarantee a quick, clean head the
majority of the time, I STILL would object to hunting for any reason
other than culling a herd. Far too many "hunters" ARE townies who can
shoot a gun but don't have the skill to kill a wild animal quickly.
I know there are a lot of people who use the meat from hunting
because they might not have much meat on the table otherwise. Well, we
don't need to eat meat as often as we think we should. Actually we
don't *need* to eat meat -- any protein will do and there's always
chicken or going fishing. I would be willing to bet that many of these
folks would be able to make do on whatever meat, fish or poultry they
could afford to buy in the grocery.
The treatment of animals raised for meat production is NOT really
germane to a discussion of hunting. And yes, I would much rather have a
wild animal die the way wild animals have died since they came into
being and if that means starving or being torn limb from limb by a
bigger, meaner predatory animal like a wolf, then so be it. THAT is the
way nature ordered things before we decided to stick our noses in. I
don't think we have any business in worrying about making death a "kind"
experience when the wild animal is being killed by something other than
a human. I still don't think that hunting is necessary in this country
for the vast majority of people -- even those who are in the lower
income brackets -- we just don't need to be eating all that much meat.
If WE, as humans, are killing an animal raised specifically for it's
flesh, then we should try and do it in the most humane way possible.
That, of course, would cost the people running the slaughter houses too
much money. But again, that is NOT part of the discussion germane to
hunting. And yes, I have watched many science and learning shows so I
do know what goes on in slaughter houses and it has *nothing* to do with
hunting.
It is my firmly held belief that in today's society, hunting is
STILL the sanctioned killing of a living being for no really necessary
reason. Yes, I know there are native people whose culture requires
them to hunt (Inuit for example) and I am not including them in the
equation. I'm referring to people who by and large live with and make
use of the basic comforts of today's society. If that disadvantaged
person goes out and kills a deer for the meat, he's got to put that meat
in a freezer somewhere so he is either paying for the freezer and the
power to run it or he is paying someone else for the use of their
equipment. That disadvantaged person has had to spend money on the gun,
the ammo, the hunting license, the gas to get to the hunting area, etc.
That's all money that could have been spent to purchase some sort of
protein food at the local grocery. And remember, while we DO need
protein, very few of us need as much of it as we think we do whether it
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Posted by lucretia borgia on September 16, 2006, 7:10 pm

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OK so if people are extending their resources by hunting, they are
wrong (mostly because your husbands relatives are wrong) and they
should simply eat less meat. It's a new run on 'Let them eat cake'
that's for sure.

I do see a parallel between hunting and animals killed in a
slaughterhouse. You may not want to see it but it seems even worse
because those animals are bred in hateful captivity, fattened fast and
injected with antibiotics just to be hauled off to be killed for human
consumption, but you don't suggest you should eat less of that piece
of cow down at the supermarket.

It is two faced to suggest people should not hunt while you eat meat
raised and killed in that manner. There is nothing to pick between
the two, on that score, I have to agree with my son. It is too late
for me to become vegetarian but if I was starting out again, I would.
Actually I eat comparatively little meat anymore but I do love fish
and I eat quite a bit of chicken, so I can't cast a stone.

Posted by Dianne Lewandowski on September 16, 2006, 7:33 pm

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An awful lot of the fish we are eating, particularly around the Great
Lakes, is not fit to eat because of pollutants (i.e. mercury and PCBs).
I understand that ocean fish (tuna) is also laden with pollutants, as
is ocean perch. I don't know what to trust, anymore.

Nope. I had my fill of freshly caught fish growing up and I could care
less if I ever ate another filet! :~)

My immediate family didn't hunt deer, although rabbit, squirrel,
pheasant, and duck was a staple. But we often ate deer from friends or
relatives. These meals certainly helped our family survive. But please
don't ask me to eat a morsel of hassenfeffer. Yuck! If I want a
pickle, I'll get one.

Dianne

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Posted by lucretia borgia on September 16, 2006, 7:59 pm

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I think the main problem with game and birds here is they eat it too
soon. I had an Italian friend who always gave me pheasant because he
knew I would hang it first. Same with ducks, I hear people saying
'ducks are so dry and tough' well, yes they are, if you eat them
within 24 hours of shooting them. Now even one week in a cold
basement will give you an entirely different duck.

I think you better tell me what a hassenfeffer is though - not
familiar with them.

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