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Posted by Dianne Lewandowski on June 15, 2009, 3:36 pm
lucretiaborgia@fl.it wrote:
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>>> On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 17:00:26 -0500, Dianne Lewandowski
>>>> It's called "for the greater good". If you knew doing something caused
>>>> misery, wouldn't you stop? I guess you wouldn't. I happen to be a
>>>> developer. Oh, how I wish people would stop using it. Old habits die
>>>> hard, particularly when those using it have no idea the misery it causes
>>>> for people who bring you nifty things like forums, blogs, and websites.
>>>> As Sheena pointed out: it's leaky, as well.
>>>> Dianne
>>> Here's an item I am sure might interest you
>>> http://gizmodo.com/5285452/os-x-snow-leopard-vs-windows-7-the-final-countdown
>> Nice article. Personally, we use Safari & Firefox. Both fabulous on a MAC,
>> and have fortunately never, ever, had a system OS problem. Like them both -
>> a lot.
>> Also have Netscape & IE - IE is the worst, most likely to lock-up, not work
>> right. Used to have a couple of sites we used for business stuff the
>> insisted on IE - fortunately they changed to work with Safari or Firefox or
>> Netscape (earlier). So, for some years we've had Safari & Firefox in the
>> "Dock" - and try to avoid the unreliable Microsoft products. Do use Office,
>> which for the most part is reliable - except for periodic bugs in Word which
>> means you have to know to go and empty the library users cache preferences.
>> Ellice
>
> And I will say to you again - no problems with MS, especially not with
> Office (and I have the besmirched 2007 currently), Word within Office,
> never had to do anything about emptying anything for that!
>
> Netscape I dropped at Netscape 7, rubbish. Opera is great as is FF.
> I do use IE once in a long while for very specific reasons, such as
> checking my web site appears correctly if someone is using IE, but
> that's about it.
>
> I smile that Mac users feel they must bash MS - they don't use it but
> are convinced it is all malfunctioning, well I can tell you, it
> doesn't. Oh, and I have never had a virus or trojan. Best of all,
> it all costs far less.
I'm not a MAC user, but since I develop web sites, I have a friend who
will check out a site for me. I also have tools I can use for
conformity issues.
I bash Microsoft because they blitzed the market with Word - an inferior
product to Word Perfect. I have Word 2000 only because occasionally I
get a Word doc that won't open in WordPerfect. Most do. And they
blitzed the market with IE and Outlook. They took perfectly good
companies and trashed them with their marketing practices. On an
unsuspecting public.
But the younger generation is getting savvy. Things may change. Or
Microsoft might get wise and fix their software. Either way, the
consumer will be the winner.
I don't get viruses because I use protective software that is GNU and works.
Dianne
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Posted by ellice on June 15, 2009, 5:23 pm
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> lucretiaborgia@fl.it wrote:
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>>>> On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 17:00:26 -0500, Dianne Lewandowski
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> It's called "for the greater good". If you knew doing something caused
>>>>> misery, wouldn't you stop? I guess you wouldn't. I happen to be a
>>>>> developer. Oh, how I wish people would stop using it. Old habits die
>>>>> hard, particularly when those using it have no idea the misery it causes
>>>>> for people who bring you nifty things like forums, blogs, and websites.
>>>>>
>>>>> As Sheena pointed out: it's leaky, as well.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dianne
>>>> Here's an item I am sure might interest you
>>>>
>>>> http://gizmodo.com/5285452/os-x-snow-leopard-vs-windows-7-the-final-countdo
>>>> wn
>>> Nice article. Personally, we use Safari & Firefox. Both fabulous on a MAC,
>>> and have fortunately never, ever, had a system OS problem. Like them both -
>>> a lot.
>>>
>>> Also have Netscape & IE - IE is the worst, most likely to lock-up, not work
>>> right. Used to have a couple of sites we used for business stuff the
>>> insisted on IE - fortunately they changed to work with Safari or Firefox or
>>> Netscape (earlier). So, for some years we've had Safari & Firefox in the
>>> "Dock" - and try to avoid the unreliable Microsoft products. Do use Office,
>>> which for the most part is reliable - except for periodic bugs in Word which
>>> means you have to know to go and empty the library users cache preferences.
>>>
>>> Ellice
>>
>> And I will say to you again - no problems with MS, especially not with
>> Office (and I have the besmirched 2007 currently), Word within Office,
>> never had to do anything about emptying anything for that!
>>
>> Netscape I dropped at Netscape 7, rubbish. Opera is great as is FF.
>> I do use IE once in a long while for very specific reasons, such as
>> checking my web site appears correctly if someone is using IE, but
>> that's about it.
>>
>> I smile that Mac users feel they must bash MS - they don't use it but
>> are convinced it is all malfunctioning, well I can tell you, it
>> doesn't. Oh, and I have never had a virus or trojan. Best of all,
>> it all costs far less.
>
> I'm not a MAC user, but since I develop web sites, I have a friend who
> will check out a site for me. I also have tools I can use for
> conformity issues.
If you're doing development, there is an Apple Developer's group - I believe
it is free to join. Full of info for those developing software, or sites.
The biggest thing with Apple, and one of the reasons that things have stayed
robust is their early insistence on standards of interoperability, constancy
in key-strokes, formats, etc for developers that were given source code
needed to produce software for the MAC OS platforms. In recent years they
have become more open for developers.
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> I bash Microsoft because they blitzed the market with Word - an inferior
> product to Word Perfect. I have Word 2000 only because occasionally I
> get a Word doc that won't open in WordPerfect. Most do. And they
> blitzed the market with IE and Outlook. They took perfectly good
> companies and trashed them with their marketing practices. On an
> unsuspecting public.
Very true. One of our best friends, my old grad school office-mate, is a VP
on the W3 (world wide web) consortium, and runs a group doing the ISO
(International Standards Org) standards for web stuff. It is a huge
headache, and he has hilarious and frustrating stories of dealing with the
huge corporations - their minions - and how the PC side of the world has
been so uncooperative as compared to the MAC side. The mainframers, &
graphics guys (like SUN, Silicon Graphics) tend to be more open, as well.
But, we've hung out through some amazing conference calls - makes you want
to tear your hair out. When he went to MITRE (from his prior job) one of
the conditions was that they let him continue on the W3 board. Which they
do.
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> But the younger generation is getting savvy. Things may change. Or
> Microsoft might get wise and fix their software. Either way, the
> consumer will be the winner.
The buzz last year when MS had issues with Vista, some other stuff, and was
taking a big hit with the college group and MAC ads - instead of spending
money to fix the software they spent a huge fortune - orders of magnitude
more- on advertising. Fix your stuff - don't rush it, try to move out of
the cartel business - nope, they'd rather just continue along. It's too
bad. We have several friends that work in Redmond, and they're smart, good
people. But, the company is more interested in being a virtual monopoly
rather than making substantive quality improvement.
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> I don't get viruses because I use protective software that is GNU and works.
>
> Dianne
That's good. No viruses 'cause we're firewalled built-in, and use virus
protection software. Honestly, I think in 20+ years, I've had to run the
software twice - just in case. But it's always there .
ellice
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Posted by ellice on June 15, 2009, 5:13 pm
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>>> On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 17:00:26 -0500, Dianne Lewandowski
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> It's called "for the greater good". If you knew doing something caused
>>>> misery, wouldn't you stop? I guess you wouldn't. I happen to be a
>>>> developer. Oh, how I wish people would stop using it. Old habits die
>>>> hard, particularly when those using it have no idea the misery it causes
>>>> for people who bring you nifty things like forums, blogs, and websites.
>>>>
>>>> As Sheena pointed out: it's leaky, as well.
>>>>
>>>> Dianne
>>>
>>> Here's an item I am sure might interest you
>>>
>>>
http://gizmodo.com/5285452/os-x-snow-leopard-vs-windows-7-the-final-countdow>>>
n
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>> Nice article. Personally, we use Safari & Firefox. Both fabulous on a MAC,
>> and have fortunately never, ever, had a system OS problem. Like them both -
>> a lot.
>>
>> Also have Netscape & IE - IE is the worst, most likely to lock-up, not work
>> right. Used to have a couple of sites we used for business stuff the
>> insisted on IE - fortunately they changed to work with Safari or Firefox or
>> Netscape (earlier). So, for some years we've had Safari & Firefox in the
>> "Dock" - and try to avoid the unreliable Microsoft products. Do use Office,
>> which for the most part is reliable - except for periodic bugs in Word which
>> means you have to know to go and empty the library users cache preferences.
>>
>> Ellice
>
> And I will say to you again - no problems with MS, especially not with
> Office (and I have the besmirched 2007 currently), Word within Office,
> never had to do anything about emptying anything for that!
LOL - I told you I use Office as well. The only problem I've ever had with
any software - with Word, and after following the advice on the phone of a
Microsoft Tech, caused a fatal error in the upgrade board of my older
machine. Microsoft was quite upfront about the bug that happens with Word -
has to do with some of the text box and publishing/page layout type uses.
Not a figment of my, or any other Mac user imagination.
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> Netscape I dropped at Netscape 7, rubbish. Opera is great as is FF.
> I do use IE once in a long while for very specific reasons, such as
> checking my web site appears correctly if someone is using IE, but
> that's about it.
>
> I smile that Mac users feel they must bash MS - they don't use it but
> are convinced it is all malfunctioning, well I can tell you, it
> doesn't. Oh, and I have never had a virus or trojan. Best of all,
> it all costs far less.
You're lucky - & clearly vigilant at never having had a virus, or glitch.
Never a glitch with any of your Windows OS? That's really unique - you
should call Redmond and get them to do an ad featuring you.
MS products - certainly not cheaper. PC (formerly DOS) based machines -
sure - cheaper. More often replaced, as well. Sure, MACs can be more
expensive, but you have to be careful with your comparisons of qualities and
cost - as PC "speed" is measured differently than processing speed on MACs
in most parlance. The technical journals will put them on the same basis -
as does Consumer Reports - showing the MACs as faster. We all pay
differently for what is included with a machine in terms of OS, additional
software, etc. OS software for a MAC is less expensive than MS Windows
variants - especially as upgrades come along regularly for free, and totally
new versions aren't pricey at all.
I think it depends on what you want to do, what your use is, what your
level of patience vs impatience, how straightforward the set-up is, and
functioning are all things that affect a computer decision. Windows - the
MS imitation of the MAC OS. That's where it came from, and has continued to
imitate- just not as well. Not that it's not a product that works for
people. That's the history - and historically the root of why long-time MAC
users will slur upon Bill Gates.
Ellice
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Posted by on June 16, 2009, 8:26 am
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>You're lucky - & clearly vigilant at never having had a virus, or glitch.
>Never a glitch with any of your Windows OS? That's really unique - you
>should call Redmond and get them to do an ad featuring you.
Nice and sarcastic Ellice - it certainly suggests you believe I am
lying. I have no vested interest in any one computer, no shares,
nothing, so I just speak about my personal experience.
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>I think it depends on what you want to do, what your use is, what your
>level of patience vs impatience, how straightforward the set-up is, and
>functioning are all things that affect a computer decision. Windows - the
>MS imitation of the MAC OS. That's where it came from, and has continued to
>imitate- just not as well. Not that it's not a product that works for
>people. That's the history - and historically the root of why long-time MAC
>users will slur upon Bill Gates.
>Ellice
I may not care for Bill Gates but it is MS that has made the computer
the common household item that it is. Then again, I am probably lying
about that too.
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Posted by Dianne Lewandowski on June 16, 2009, 8:57 am
lucretiaborgia@fl.it wrote:
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> I may not care for Bill Gates but it is MS that has made the computer
> the common household item that it is. Then again, I am probably lying
> about that too.
Actually, Tandy, Atari, and Commodore hooked the "common man" and helped
to get the computer off the ground. Apple, at that time, was slower than
molasses in January. Their graphics were great, but the Atari - at the
time - beat it. Apple got its start in schools, therefore hooking
parents. We started with Tandy because of the support - when a 50 meg
hard drive was $500. Something not working? Take it to Radio Shack.
They'll get it working for you at no charge and teach you all about it.
It was a fun time.
Microsoft did it all by unfair competition. All's fair in love and war,
I guess. We still use XP. Not sure if we'll upgrade. Our computers
work fine. They're fast. Graphics are on par with MAC. And we have few
lock ups . . . though they happen.
Dianne
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>>> On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 17:00:26 -0500, Dianne Lewandowski
>>>> It's called "for the greater good". If you knew doing something caused
>>>> misery, wouldn't you stop? I guess you wouldn't. I happen to be a
>>>> developer. Oh, how I wish people would stop using it. Old habits die
>>>> hard, particularly when those using it have no idea the misery it causes
>>>> for people who bring you nifty things like forums, blogs, and websites.
>>>> As Sheena pointed out: it's leaky, as well.
>>>> Dianne
>>> Here's an item I am sure might interest you
>>> http://gizmodo.com/5285452/os-x-snow-leopard-vs-windows-7-the-final-countdown
>> Nice article. Personally, we use Safari & Firefox. Both fabulous on a MAC,
>> and have fortunately never, ever, had a system OS problem. Like them both -
>> a lot.
>> Also have Netscape & IE - IE is the worst, most likely to lock-up, not work
>> right. Used to have a couple of sites we used for business stuff the
>> insisted on IE - fortunately they changed to work with Safari or Firefox or
>> Netscape (earlier). So, for some years we've had Safari & Firefox in the
>> "Dock" - and try to avoid the unreliable Microsoft products. Do use Office,
>> which for the most part is reliable - except for periodic bugs in Word which
>> means you have to know to go and empty the library users cache preferences.
>> Ellice
>
> And I will say to you again - no problems with MS, especially not with
> Office (and I have the besmirched 2007 currently), Word within Office,
> never had to do anything about emptying anything for that!
>
> Netscape I dropped at Netscape 7, rubbish. Opera is great as is FF.
> I do use IE once in a long while for very specific reasons, such as
> checking my web site appears correctly if someone is using IE, but
> that's about it.
>
> I smile that Mac users feel they must bash MS - they don't use it but
> are convinced it is all malfunctioning, well I can tell you, it
> doesn't. Oh, and I have never had a virus or trojan. Best of all,
> it all costs far less.