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Re: OT: U.S. Dressage Olympics team disqualified! ellice 09-23-2008
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Posted by ellice on September 23, 2008, 11:03 am



> Okay, it's not the end of the world, but my favorite horse Mythilus
> and the entire team was disqualified because he tested positive for an
> anti-inflammatory/pain relief drug.

For all we know, and likely, the horse was being treated with an
anti-inflammatory the same way people take Motrin. These riders have
back-up horses that can be used if there is a serious problem. And while I
haven't read the details - I won't make judgements as to when the drug was
given, WRT the test - it may have been as a precaution after the flight and
settling in.
>
> As usual, people making animals do things even when they are in pain.
> I think the whole team should be disqualified from the sport for ten
> years just for drugging a horse in pain just so he can participate,
> not to mention the trauma of being flown to China in the belly of a
> plane which was probably very cold.

Don't jump to the extreme. These are incredibly valuable horses, and tend
to be very carefully tended - it's not the racing game with millions and
millions of dollars at stake. The flying conditions for these level of
horses are amazing - not freezing in the hold of a standard plane. There
are specialty containers - essentially box stalls - for the horses, with all
kinds of padding, and grooms travel with them. They're probably more
comfortable than people flying coach.

It's unlikely that anyone at this level would force their horse to perform
in extreme pain. Even with a drug - that would affect other things in the
animal's performance.

> Poor animals.

>
> Victoria

Surely at times. But, I wouldn't jump to paint the entire USET as evil
tyrants forcing their animals to be tortured. Certainly there are cruel or
less caring individuals in any sport - but, especially dressage horses -
it's a big intelligence and training teamwork thing. And incredibly
difficult to get to Grand Prix level - it requires amazing trust, bond,
love, respect, understanding on the part of the horse and the rider. Horses
don't learn those moves out of fear, and certainly can't perform in pain.
So, who knows the details - but, again. IME I would tend to give some
benefit of the doubt. Remember - people have been disqualified over taking
cold medicine which they didn't realize was on the forbidden list.

Ellice



Posted by ellice on September 23, 2008, 1:15 pm



>
>>
>>> Okay, it's not the end of the world, but my favorite horse Mythilus
>>> and the entire team was disqualified because he tested positive for an
>>> anti-inflammatory/pain relief drug.
>>
>> For all we know, and likely, the horse was being treated with an
>> anti-inflammatory the same way people take Motrin. These riders have
>> back-up horses that can be used if there is a serious problem. And while I
>> haven't read the details - I won't make judgements as to when the drug was
>> given, WRT the test - it may have been as a precaution after the flight and
>> settling in.
>>>
>>> As usual, people making animals do things even when they are in pain.
>>> I think the whole team should be disqualified from the sport for ten
>>> years just for drugging a horse in pain just so he can participate,
>>> not to mention the trauma of being flown to China in the belly of a
>>> plane which was probably very cold.
>>
>> Don't jump to the extreme. These are incredibly valuable horses, and tend
>> to be very carefully tended - it's not the racing game with millions and
>> millions of dollars at stake. The flying conditions for these level of
>> horses are amazing - not freezing in the hold of a standard plane. There
>> are specialty containers - essentially box stalls - for the horses, with all
>> kinds of padding, and grooms travel with them. They're probably more
>> comfortable than people flying coach.
>>
>> It's unlikely that anyone at this level would force their horse to perform
>> in extreme pain. Even with a drug - that would affect other things in the
>> animal's performance.
>>
>>> Poor animals.
>>
>>>
>>> Victoria
>>
>> Surely at times. But, I wouldn't jump to paint the entire USET as evil
>> tyrants forcing their animals to be tortured. Certainly there are cruel or
>> less caring individuals in any sport - but, especially dressage horses -
>> it's a big intelligence and training teamwork thing. And incredibly
>> difficult to get to Grand Prix level - it requires amazing trust, bond,
>> love, respect, understanding on the part of the horse and the rider. Horses
>> don't learn those moves out of fear, and certainly can't perform in pain.
>> So, who knows the details - but, again. IME I would tend to give some
>> benefit of the doubt. Remember - people have been disqualified over taking
>> cold medicine which they didn't realize was on the forbidden list.
>>
>> Ellice
>>
>
> You're probably right, and I have no excuse other than I am in a very
> pissy mood. I have so much to do and I can't do any of it. The level
> of frustration is well beyond that of many people and it takes a lot
> to really frustrate me to this level, but I'm here.

Ah, I used to get more impatient and frustrated - patience came the hard way
- I'll leave it at that. But I do understand.
>
> PLUS, I have to go food shopping which takes the life out of me on top
> of the life already being out of me!

Don't you have a delivery service from the local grocery chain? Here the
Giant (local) and Harris-Teeter have services that you can shop via the web,
or a form, and then either fax, e-mail, etc the order in, and they'll
deliver it. The Giant one is called Peapod, it's a great thing when you're
either not up to doing the groceries, or have no time. Maybe you could
check into what the local chains may have. Here, the surcharge is really,
really minimal, and they will select organic, etc - whatever your
restrictions/preferences are.
>
> The thing about the USET which really bothered me is that there is no
> mention on their website of being disqualified. For all we know this
> positive test was from a rub of some kind containing an anti
> inflammatory, but if you are at the level of an Olympic team, and you
> shelp a team of horses over a dozen hours on a loud plane, you should
> know every potentially illegal drug from Vic's Vapor Rub to liniment
> oils. I still say shame on them. Keep in mind my frame of mind and
> this could be me letting off steam.
>
> Victoria

I have not doubt the USET is more upset than you are. Who knows how quickly
they put stuff on their website. I doubt they update it daily. And there
are different branches of the USET, the Dressage federation, the eventing
federation, etc (eventing HQ is local to me here in VA). I'd expect they
know all the illegal stuff, but you never know - some groom could have
something, or they gave a med to an animal that should've worn off, or they
didn't realize had an illegal component, or just plain screwed up. Who
knows. I have some friends that are connected in Dressage world - I'll have
to ping them eventually.

Ellice


Posted by Cheryl Isaak on September 23, 2008, 2:57 pm


On 9/23/08 2:40 PM, in article gsdid4l3bjgqlo731ab58ghml7jgtl8sq4@4ax.com,

>
>>
>> I have not doubt the USET is more upset than you are. Who knows how quickly
>> they put stuff on their website. I doubt they update it daily. And there
>> are different branches of the USET, the Dressage federation, the eventing
>> federation, etc (eventing HQ is local to me here in VA). I'd expect they
>> know all the illegal stuff, but you never know - some groom could have
>> something, or they gave a med to an animal that should've worn off, or they
>> didn't realize had an illegal component, or just plain screwed up. Who
>> knows. I have some friends that are connected in Dressage world - I'll have
>> to ping them eventually.
>>
>> Ellice
>
> I want them to update NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW!
>
> LOL
>
> In the other post you mentioned the shopping service. I know my mom
> has it up on Long Island. It is very reasonable. I can look into it.
> If I just write a list Mark would gladly do the shopping. He prefers
> that because I buy a lot of stuff I don't need. Like today...did I
> need a 9" box fan? Well, I did, but you get my meaning. That's the
> danger of doing food shopping in Walmart.
>
> Victoria

I have been in the local WalMart with food - no thanks. Meat department
smelled bad, produce looked worse. I don't buy a lot of pre-packaged thing
due the salt and fat content.

Cheryl


Posted by ellice on September 24, 2008, 7:45 am



> On Tue, 23 Sep 2008 14:57:48 -0400, Cheryl Isaak
>
>
>> I have been in the local WalMart with food - no thanks. Meat department
>> smelled bad, produce looked worse. I don't buy a lot of pre-packaged thing
>> due the salt and fat content.
>>
>> Cheryl
>
> Vegetarians here, so meat is not an issue. I go to Whole Foods for
> produce and I only buy organic. The Walmart here has many organic
> products because this market demands it. I only buy free range,
> organic eggs and they sell them. Organic milk and they have five
> brands. I guess the market determines what they sell. I'm in a hoity
> toity part of town here, so it is Walmart, dressed up. LOL.
>
> Victoria
>
The local chains here all carry organic produce - some more than others, and
their own labels organic milk, eggs, etc. For eggs, I actually buy
free-range, veg fed - but not the organic (from the same producers), no
pesticideds, etc. Milk, always organic. And most of our produce -
fortunately the Wegman's iosn't as pricey as Whole Foods. The Target has
some organic in their food section. I buy really excellent Fair Trade
Organic coffee there - half the price of elsewhere it seems.

For meat - I buy mostly at Wegman's - their certified "food you feel good
about" - which means no antibiotic/growth hormones, vegetarian feed, etc,
and some organic. Was buying only organic free range chicken, then found a
brand called "Smart Chicken" which produces boht an organic and non label -
which I'd bet are processed close to the same - so we've gone with the
slightly less pricey one. Although, our Costco carries Coleman chickens,
which I buy, and Wegman's has their own label organic. Buy pre-packed
organic ground beef at Costco or Wegman's, same with Bison, etc.

Recently Consumer Reports did an article about when to buy organic,
particularly with respect to raw things. I tend to follow that. Try to stay
with products that don't have the animal cruelty factor - hence the free
range eggs (or here "Cage Free"), and certain meats we don't buy unless
they're labelled appropriately.

Did the vegetarian thing in high school, and part of college. I'm not a
huge meat eater at all. But, my hematologist went nuts a few years ago and
insisted that I had to add more meat into my diet (the few times a month
wasn't doing it). So, we do what we're comfortable with - I get that humans
are omnivores - and that's what we generally need. OTOH, the dog also only
gets no by-product, vegetarian feed source, etc kibbles. And, he eats
cottage cheese and veggies mixed with his dry stuff - so it balances a bit.
Don't suggest diet supplements to do the vegetarian thing - won't work for
me due to gastric stuff that complicates my significant anemia.

Anyhow, I'm lucky that we have good though quite expensive compared to most
of the US, grocery stores.

Ellice


Posted by ellice on September 24, 2008, 2:58 pm



>
>>
>>> On Tue, 23 Sep 2008 14:57:48 -0400, Cheryl Isaak
>>>
>>>
>>>> I have been in the local WalMart with food - no thanks. Meat department
>>>> smelled bad, produce looked worse. I don't buy a lot of pre-packaged thing
>>>> due the salt and fat content.
>>>>
>>>> Cheryl
>>>
>>> Vegetarians here, so meat is not an issue. I go to Whole Foods for
>>> produce and I only buy organic. The Walmart here has many organic
>>> products because this market demands it. I only buy free range,
>>> organic eggs and they sell them. Organic milk and they have five
>>> brands. I guess the market determines what they sell. I'm in a hoity
>>> toity part of town here, so it is Walmart, dressed up. LOL.
>>>
>>> Victoria
>>>
>> The local chains here all carry organic produce - some more than others, and
>> their own labels organic milk, eggs, etc. For eggs, I actually buy
>> free-range, veg fed - but not the organic (from the same producers), no
>> pesticideds, etc. Milk, always organic. And most of our produce -
>> fortunately the Wegman's iosn't as pricey as Whole Foods. The Target has
>> some organic in their food section. I buy really excellent Fair Trade
>> Organic coffee there - half the price of elsewhere it seems.
>>
>> For meat - I buy mostly at Wegman's - their certified "food you feel good
>> about" - which means no antibiotic/growth hormones, vegetarian feed, etc,
>> and some organic. Was buying only organic free range chicken, then found a
>> brand called "Smart Chicken" which produces boht an organic and non label -
>> which I'd bet are processed close to the same - so we've gone with the
>> slightly less pricey one. Although, our Costco carries Coleman chickens,
>> which I buy, and Wegman's has their own label organic. Buy pre-packed
>> organic ground beef at Costco or Wegman's, same with Bison, etc.
>>
>> Recently Consumer Reports did an article about when to buy organic,
>> particularly with respect to raw things. I tend to follow that. Try to stay
>> with products that don't have the animal cruelty factor - hence the free
>> range eggs (or here "Cage Free"), and certain meats we don't buy unless
>> they're labelled appropriately.
>>
>> Did the vegetarian thing in high school, and part of college. I'm not a
>> huge meat eater at all. But, my hematologist went nuts a few years ago and
>> insisted that I had to add more meat into my diet (the few times a month
>> wasn't doing it). So, we do what we're comfortable with - I get that humans
>> are omnivores - and that's what we generally need. OTOH, the dog also only
>> gets no by-product, vegetarian feed source, etc kibbles. And, he eats
>> cottage cheese and veggies mixed with his dry stuff - so it balances a bit.
>> Don't suggest diet supplements to do the vegetarian thing - won't work for
>> me due to gastric stuff that complicates my significant anemia.
>>
>> Anyhow, I'm lucky that we have good though quite expensive compared to most
>> of the US, grocery stores.
>>
>> Ellice
>
> Cage Free is not free range. It means tens of thousands of hens in
> pens on top of one another, living in squalor and conditions which I
> wouldn't put my worst enemy in.
>
Depends on the labelling. We buy "cage free, free roaming" .
>
> I'm not trying to get on a soap box, but this is just how I feel and
> what I buy and do. I don't sell my version to anyone, but believe the
> industry make up these terms which are lies. Cage free is barbaric.
> Range free means not in pens, not in cages. Anyway, we're working
> towards becoming vegan which east no animal products of any kind which
> would include products which use gelatin. It's a hard transition, but
> I cannot sit here loving animals, then eating any part of them with a
> clean conscience.
>
We each make our own pact. And have to make do with our biology versus our
conscious thoughts.

Ellice


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