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Posted by Nancy on August 6, 2009, 3:17 pm

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In elementary school I don't recall my parents having to buy any
supplies at all. Paper and pencils to use at home but
nothing for school. Eventually we did get "looseleaf notebooks"
and "notebook" paper and probably just used whatever colored
pencils we had at home. And rarely took the colored pencils
to school. As for what art supplies were needed in senior high,
who knows. By then art classes were not required and I definitely
passed those by. I do recall buying a copy of "Tartouffe" (sp) for
my French class but otherwise we were never given a "list."
That's a much recent invention.
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Nancy

Posted by Susan Hartman on August 6, 2009, 10:50 am

Nancy wrote:
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I agree that it would be wonderful if school districts could supply
things, as it was in my youth. But I can't agree with the "Pay more and
more per student and get less and less" part of your comment. I think
schools today do SO much more than they did in my youth ("the good old
days.") Just the staffing is very different...we had a part-time
counselor shared with three schools, music and instrumental music and
gym and art teachers did three schools (there were three elementary
schools in the town I grew up in, and one high school). Principal had
one sec'y - no assistant principal, no buses, no cafeterias, no
librarian (parent volunteers ran the library), one nurse for all three
schools. My kid's elementary school had paid staff positions for all of
those, plus more. And special ed? Fuggedaboudit...you were either
"retarded" or you weren't. If you were "retarded," there was one
classroom for the whole town - and not much was expected of you; if you
were high-functioning, you might be trained to be a janitorial
assistant. Everyone else just had to cope as best they could. Blind,
deaf, autistic kids didn't exist in the regular public school
system...there were "special places" for them.

Not to mention, the cost of the technology that schools try to keep up
with. We had one TV per floor of the school, that got wheeled around to
whatever classroom signed up for it. No computers. One movie projector
shared for the whole school. We had workbooks (which at that time cost
a fraction of what they do now) that we could actually write in, which
is probably actually cheaper in the long run than printing out reams of
paper.

Teachers were paid abominably, because in most cases it was perceived as
"women's work" and "second income."

I find that those who long for the "good old days" tend to remember the
smell of the roses, and forget the fertilizer mounded at the base of the
plant!

sue
--
Susan Hartman/Dirty Linen
The Magazine of Folk and World Music
www.dirtylinen.com

Posted by Nancy on August 6, 2009, 2:27 pm

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Well, lets see, most kids walked to school (only if you were more than
2 miles away did you get bused) and I don't think there was as much
obesity. We went home for lunch in elementary school. Western PA is
fortunate to have a school for the deaf (over 100 years old) and a
school
for the blind. And the county (long before it was widespread) had a
school for the developmently disabled. Yes, we shared the art
instructor
with the junior high but more and more schools here are cutting out
art
and music completely in the elementary schools. Instead they spend
it
on field turf for the football field, the soccer field and a new
baseball fields
while also cutting the teacher aides. I know what teachers earned.
DM was a substitute. I had a calculus teacher who left industry to
teach despite the difference in the pay.

The local school district was a "forced" merger that years later the
judge said was the biggest mistake he ever made. Not only did he
destroy 3 good school districts and send our taxes skyrocketing
but he destroyed several municipalities. A neighbor wondered why
all the kids in the neighborhood were going to the the local Catholic
school and private schools. Despite all the $$$ it's not a very good
education. If I had kids I wouldn't be living here and sending them
to
the high school I attended.

Nancy...now off her soapbox about the local school district

Posted by Cheryl Isaak on August 6, 2009, 11:03 am

On 8/6/09 8:21 AM, in article
56bc1cbd-2206-40a3-a5f7-e68d507e1d01@j32g2000yqh.googlegroups.com, "Nancy"

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Don't get me started. DS is required to have a $100 calculator for
pre-calculus. A different one from all his other courses.

C

Posted by Lucille on August 6, 2009, 12:01 pm

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Way back when I went to school all you needed were your fingers and a slide
rule..

Just in case anyone is wondering, no, I'm not old enough to have learned on
an abacus.

Lucille

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