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Posted by Fran on August 18, 2008, 7:38 pm
OK, I'm half way done (pics in Fran's Stuff), and decided to take out
the waste canvas threads in the finished half. Turned out to be a bit
more of a bear that I thought, but they did come out, even from under
the over-one stitching.
Two key learning's:
1) You will have to get the material very damp (but not dripping)
in order to loosen the starch, and the starch sets back up when dry,
so you have to keep it damp as you work.
2) Since I am working with Silk on silk, both need to be washable
because the starch will transfer from the canvas to the silk as you
work to take the canvas out. This means I will have to wash the piece
afterward.
A note about silk dyes - traditionally people have not used mordants
when working with silk dyes, which is why they will spot or bleed when
washed. Mordants to fix the dyes have been available, but they tended
to severely weaken the fabric and so were not extensively used.
Modern washable silks have had the dyes semi-fixed with modern
mordants which do not cause as much weakness. However, they will
still fade considerably with multiple washings, which is why most silk
is labeled as dry-clean only.
Fran
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Posted by lucretia borgia on August 18, 2008, 7:58 pm
On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 16:38:40 -0700 (PDT), Fran
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>OK, I'm half way done (pics in Fran's Stuff), and decided to take out
>the waste canvas threads in the finished half. Turned out to be a bit
>more of a bear that I thought, but they did come out, even from under
>the over-one stitching.
>Two key learning's:
> 1) You will have to get the material very damp (but not dripping)
>in order to loosen the starch, and the starch sets back up when dry,
>so you have to keep it damp as you work.
> 2) Since I am working with Silk on silk, both need to be washable
>because the starch will transfer from the canvas to the silk as you
>work to take the canvas out. This means I will have to wash the piece
>afterward.
>A note about silk dyes - traditionally people have not used mordants
>when working with silk dyes, which is why they will spot or bleed when
>washed. Mordants to fix the dyes have been available, but they tended
>to severely weaken the fabric and so were not extensively used.
>Modern washable silks have had the dyes semi-fixed with modern
>mordants which do not cause as much weakness. However, they will
>still fade considerably with multiple washings, which is why most silk
>is labeled as dry-clean only.
>Fran
That's interesting, I didn't know that was the reason. I thought you
would have difficulty removing the waste canvas from silk, kudos to
you!
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Posted by on August 19, 2008, 12:26 am
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> OK, I'm half way done (pics in Fran's Stuff), and decided to take out
> the waste canvas threads in the finished half. =A0Turned out to be a bit
> more of a bear that I thought, but they did come out, even from under
> the over-one stitching.
> Two key learning's:
> =A0 =A0 1) =A0You will have to get the material very damp (but not drippi=
ng)
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> in order to loosen the starch, and the starch sets back up when dry,
> so you have to keep it damp as you work.
> =A0 =A0 2) =A0Since I am working with Silk on silk, both need to be washa=
ble
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> because the starch will transfer from the canvas to the silk as you
> work to take the canvas out. =A0This means I will have to wash the piece
> afterward.
> A note about silk dyes - traditionally people have not used mordants
> when working with silk dyes, which is why they will spot or bleed when
> washed. =A0Mordants to fix the dyes have been available, but they tended
> to severely weaken the fabric and so were not extensively used.
> Modern washable silks have had the dyes semi-fixed with modern
> mordants which do not cause as much weakness. =A0However, they will
> still fade considerably with multiple washings, which is why most silk
> is labeled as dry-clean only.
> Fran
Thank you for this information , a colleague of mine, just started
embroidering over Silk, would you mind if i forward this to her ?
mirjam
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Posted by Fran on August 19, 2008, 8:40 pm
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> Thank you for this information , a colleague of mine, just started
> embroidering over Silk, would you mind if i forward this to her ?
> mirjam- Hide quoted text -
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Sure, no problem.
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Posted by on August 19, 2008, 11:53 pm
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> > Thank you for this information , a colleague of mine, just started
> > embroidering over Silk, would you mind if i forward this to her ?
> > mirjam- Hide quoted text -
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> Sure, no problem.
Thank you
mirjam
www.fibersiv.israel.net
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>the waste canvas threads in the finished half. Turned out to be a bit
>more of a bear that I thought, but they did come out, even from under
>the over-one stitching.
>Two key learning's:
> 1) You will have to get the material very damp (but not dripping)
>in order to loosen the starch, and the starch sets back up when dry,
>so you have to keep it damp as you work.
> 2) Since I am working with Silk on silk, both need to be washable
>because the starch will transfer from the canvas to the silk as you
>work to take the canvas out. This means I will have to wash the piece
>afterward.
>A note about silk dyes - traditionally people have not used mordants
>when working with silk dyes, which is why they will spot or bleed when
>washed. Mordants to fix the dyes have been available, but they tended
>to severely weaken the fabric and so were not extensively used.
>Modern washable silks have had the dyes semi-fixed with modern
>mordants which do not cause as much weakness. However, they will
>still fade considerably with multiple washings, which is why most silk
>is labeled as dry-clean only.
>Fran