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Posted by Monique in TX on June 11, 2009, 10:33 am
Does anyone have experience with using a pastel gel pen for marking a
design on dark fabric for backbasting (or some other use)? As long as
the ink is archival, it ought to be all right, wouldn't you think? It
doesn't matter if it doesn't wash out, since it will be on the back.
It sure is easier to see on black than either the Clover pen or a
white marking pencil! Or does someone else have a white marking tool
they like better. (I don't think chalk would work, since the piece
will be handled during a long applique process.)
Thanks,
Monique in TX
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Posted by Polly Esther on June 11, 2009, 2:47 pm
I have used the pastel gel pens for marking 'dots' on dark quilt pieces with
great success. There's the possibility that the gel could bleed. The Fons
& Porter, er... do they call their white pen 'ceramic'? That works well
too. The pens themselves didn't. I bought two and enjoyed them while they
lasted. Their innards were rather flimsy; very annoying since they're so
expensive.
It's a carry-over from dressmaking but my always favorite is plain old
slivers of bath soap. I keep a little bag of them in the refrigerator.
When one gets soft from hand heat, I replace it with the next leftover. If
you can figure out how to just use soap, you will know that the marks are
safe and will wash out. Tell us about your appliqué project. What are you
up to? Polly
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> Does anyone have experience with using a pastel gel pen for marking a
> design on dark fabric for backbasting (or some other use)? As long as
> the ink is archival, it ought to be all right, wouldn't you think? It
> doesn't matter if it doesn't wash out, since it will be on the back.
> It sure is easier to see on black than either the Clover pen or a
> white marking pencil! Or does someone else have a white marking tool
> they like better. (I don't think chalk would work, since the piece
> will be handled during a long applique process.)
> Thanks,
> Monique in TX
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Posted by NightMist on June 11, 2009, 5:22 pm
On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 07:33:25 -0700 (PDT), Monique in TX
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>Does anyone have experience with using a pastel gel pen for marking a
>design on dark fabric for backbasting (or some other use)? As long as
>the ink is archival, it ought to be all right, wouldn't you think? It
>doesn't matter if it doesn't wash out, since it will be on the back.
>It sure is easier to see on black than either the Clover pen or a
>white marking pencil! Or does someone else have a white marking tool
>they like better. (I don't think chalk would work, since the piece
>will be handled during a long applique process.)
I work with darks a LOT.
The white pencils drive me bonkers. The mechanical ones are a lot
less crazy making than the wood ones though. The leads just wear down
so fast, and are so prone to breaking when you sharpen them.
For something simple that I can mark as I go, I use chalk.
If it is complicated, but still a mark as I go project, I will use a
white or sanguine Conte crayon. They stick a bit better than chalk,
but still wash out if you don't bear down hard and drive them into the
fibers. White Conte pastel pencils work also, but then you have the
whole sharpening issue again.
If I need to mark a whole quilt or something that will get a lot of
handling before I am done in advance, I tend to prefer dressmakers
carbon. Most of the colors show well on darks, and it washes out
reliably so long as you avoid the cheap waxy stuff. You don't need to
use a wheel, though if you are marking a grid or continuous lines that
are not too complicated a wheel can save a fair bit of time. You can
use it just like old fashioned carbon paper and just slip it under a
pattern sheet and draw over the lines with a pen, pencil, or stylus.
You just want to be sure that everything is flat and your are working
on a hard surface. Oh and that you have the carbon paper turned carbon
side to the fabric. (Who me? would I do something so silly as to have
my carbon flipped wrong way up? Dumb, de dumb de dumbity dee...)
If you don't have to worry about shadow lines, washable crayons are
great. Inexpensive too.
If you have a big project they would definitely be worth testing.
Most of the time they do wash out completely. I got best results from
these three, Faber-Castell, Crayoloa, and Prang Payons, in that order.
The even cheaper washable crayons are much more prone to leaving
shadows. Again, you want to use as light a hand as you can manage.
Cretacolor Aquamonolith pencils work well sometimes, but it takes
experimentaion. They don't work on all fabrics, and on some fabrics
they sometimes leave shadows.
So far as gel pens, I don't hesitate to use them on clothing.
But I expect clothing to have a much shorter life span than quilts.
My basic rule is never use an ink or paint that does not give adequete
archival information. Acid Free and archivally sound often (not
always) mean that they won't eat your fabric.
The original gel pens are Jelly Rolls from Sakura. Sakura also makes
Pigma Pens, so it is a decent possibilty that they won't harm fabric.
If you aren't worried about washing, you can check to see if your
colored pencils mark easily on fabric. Some are soft enough to mark
well. Regular crayons are a good bet too.
NightMist
very bored with her sedentary status
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Posted by Julia in MN on June 11, 2009, 6:49 pm
I like the peach Prisma colored pencils for marking quilting designs on
just about any color. They don't rub off easily. They should work for
your appliqué project. The peach works well on both dark and light. I
have never had a problem with not washing out. They are in the art
supplies department at Michael's and Hobby Lobby. I learned about these
pencils from someone in this group.
Julia in MN
Monique in TX wrote:
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> Does anyone have experience with using a pastel gel pen for marking a
> design on dark fabric for backbasting (or some other use)? As long as
> the ink is archival, it ought to be all right, wouldn't you think? It
> doesn't matter if it doesn't wash out, since it will be on the back.
> It sure is easier to see on black than either the Clover pen or a
> white marking pencil! Or does someone else have a white marking tool
> they like better. (I don't think chalk would work, since the piece
> will be handled during a long applique process.)
>
> Thanks,
> Monique in TX
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Posted by Mickie Swall on June 12, 2009, 3:47 pm
Monique, I use pastel gel pens to mark lines that I -want- to
be -permanent-. When dried and then heat-set, they are impossible to
remove, which in my case is desirable --- I just used a Sakura white "Gelly
Roll" pen that I bought for $1.49 at Michael's to write the maker's names on
the mottled brown batik stems of 42 maple leaf blocks for our guild's next
raffle quilt.
Mickie
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> Does anyone have experience with using a pastel gel pen for marking a
> design on dark fabric for backbasting (or some other use)? As long as
> the ink is archival, it ought to be all right, wouldn't you think? It
> doesn't matter if it doesn't wash out, since it will be on the back.
> It sure is easier to see on black than either the Clover pen or a
> white marking pencil! Or does someone else have a white marking tool
> they like better. (I don't think chalk would work, since the piece
> will be handled during a long applique process.)
> Thanks,
> Monique in TX
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> design on dark fabric for backbasting (or some other use)? As long as
> the ink is archival, it ought to be all right, wouldn't you think? It
> doesn't matter if it doesn't wash out, since it will be on the back.
> It sure is easier to see on black than either the Clover pen or a
> white marking pencil! Or does someone else have a white marking tool
> they like better. (I don't think chalk would work, since the piece
> will be handled during a long applique process.)
> Thanks,
> Monique in TX