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Posted by Edna Pearl on October 19, 2009, 2:38 pm
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> Good analogies, Sandy. When I saw the pictures of the Houston winners, I
> had a reaction similar to Sunny's. I started debating with myself: Should
> there be a category for "professional" quilters and another for "the rest
> of us"? But how would we determine who fell into the category of
> "professional"? That would open a whole 'nother can of worms!
It would, indeed, but to continue the analogy, other sports have done it.
If I am not mistake, I believe that there are standards for what constitutes
a professional v. an amateur who can compete in the Olympics which are set
by some Olympic committee. In baseball and other team sports, there are
professional teams and feeder teams by designation of some governing body
(from the MLB, NFL, etc.).
I don't think it would be difficult to create such designations for shows
that want to be "certified" by the governing body that sets the standards.
Those guilds or county fairs or whatever who do not want to be certified by
the national body could set their own standards or invite all comers on an
equal basis.
It is my understanding that some local bodies do set categories for styles
of quilts and/or level of expertise of the quilters. I imagine the
experiences of such local groups would provide some good ideas for national
standards -- just as the federal government looks to state experiences in
legislation and execution of the laws, and higher courts frequently look to
lower courts and courts in other jurisdictions to decide cases of first
impression in their own jurisdictions?
Can you tell I'm a lawyer and former political organizer? :-D But I
personally am not terribly interested in the ultimate decisions quiltmakers
make about these issues, as I myself dislike active competition. (One can't
avoid the passive kind, but one can choose how much attention to pay to it.
:-) I can't imagine myself ever participating in a show other than a local,
informal one. And I'm going to have to improve a lot before I even consider
that!
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Posted by Listpig on October 19, 2009, 10:33 am
It seems to me that there are two reasons for getting tired of seeing the
same names winning every year: being tired of losing to them or sheer
spectator's boredom.
In the first case, though, when you think about it, asking them to step down
is saying "You need to quit because we want to drop the bar---we want to
lower the definition of excellence." Not a good way to go, IMO---the goal
must be to be better than they are (or at least outlive the bastids :)
The second case is harder to address. As a NASCAR fan, I'm watching the
last five races of the season rooting hard for Jimmie Johnson to screw up,
for someone else---anyone else---to take the championship. It ain't that I
don't like Jimmie, it's the Monotony Factor: if he wins (and he looks set to
do it) it'll be his *fourth* national championship in a row. Which is in
itself an interesting statistic---nobody's ever done four in a row before.
But having the same guy winning every year is definitely getting a bit
boring.
At least when it's quilts, they're doing it with a totally different quilt,
something new to look at. The design on the Lowe's 48 Chevy hasn't changed
in years. :)
--pig
On 10/19/09 01:32, in article C7016437.3A6F9%eltex@tx.rr.com, "Sandy E"
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> Howdy!
>
> Do we then decide that award-winning singers, actors, artists
> can no longer win awards because they have their trophies?
> "You've already won Olympic medals so no more contests for you!"
> "Fire the race car drivers because they've already had their moments
> in the winner's circle." "Sorry, rodeo stars, you've had your ride,
> take your ribbons and go home." "All you Winners: beat it! No repeats!!"
>
> Perhaps the same quilters keep winning the awards because they
> keep entering their finest work. And they do work at it, don't they? ;-)
>
> R/Sandy- I think I remember saying, "sometimes 'adequate'...isn't"
>
>
> On 10/18/09 7:16 PM, in article eqbnd5doitj5ddrv42kkrodqvrtc1tprf9@4ax.com,
>
>>
>>> Am I the only one who sort of wonders why the "giants" of the quilting
>>> world are still competing, still sort of soaking up the top spots in
>>> the big competitions? I mean, I'm seeing names on the winners' list
>>> (and truly amazing art that just knocks my socks off) who I consider
>>> in a league of their own; they'll be written up in art history books
>>>
>>> Sunny
>>
>> Part of me is thinking that they should "retire" at least for awhile
>> after so many wins or at least take a break. But then I realize that
>> this is how they make their name and their $.
>>
>> Since it is not as though any of them are in the way of my winning
>> anything, I guess I'm not going to worry about it.
>>
>> Mary
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Posted by Sandy E on October 20, 2009, 1:46 pm
Howdy!
Jimmie Johnson is still racing?!!!?
When we first got married (34+ yrs ago), Gene kept up w/ NASCAR; I
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remember the names, the faces, and the voices. <g> Then he transferred
that attention to NHRA (drag racing), which he'd actually participated
in, still loves. One guy, John Force, was someone Gene knew of when
they both lived in Yorba Linda, Calif; John won & won & - I got sick
of hearing his name, and his voice!!!
But, these guys work at it, they make the connections, they get
their selves out there and do it.
As do these Award-Winning Quilters. Bravo to them. I'd prefer
to sit here in my comfy chair, a/c cranked down, needle in hand,
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doing my thing & getting good at it. <g> I enjoy making the quilts,
but photographing them and filling out papers to enter shows -
that's too much like work!
I don't suppose these A-W Quilters get rich off their winnings;
it helps, but they have to keep moving to make a go of it.
Thank goodness they do, thank goodness they want to.
R/Sandy- professional hand-quilter ;-)
On 10/19/09 9:33 AM, in article C701F10A.76F36%listpig@earthlink.net,
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> It seems to me that there are two reasons for getting tired of seeing the
> same names winning every year: being tired of losing to them or sheer
> spectator's boredom.
>
> In the first case, though, when you think about it, asking them to step down
> is saying "You need to quit because we want to drop the bar---we want to
> lower the definition of excellence." Not a good way to go, IMO---the goal
> must be to be better than they are (or at least outlive the bastids :)
>
> The second case is harder to address. As a NASCAR fan, I'm watching the
> last five races of the season rooting hard for Jimmie Johnson to screw up,
> for someone else---anyone else---to take the championship. It ain't that I
> don't like Jimmie, it's the Monotony Factor: if he wins (and he looks set to
> do it) it'll be his *fourth* national championship in a row. Which is in
> itself an interesting statistic---nobody's ever done four in a row before.
> But having the same guy winning every year is definitely getting a bit
> boring.
>
> At least when it's quilts, they're doing it with a totally different quilt,
> something new to look at. The design on the Lowe's 48 Chevy hasn't changed
> in years. :)
>
> --pig
>
>
> On 10/19/09 01:32, in article C7016437.3A6F9%eltex@tx.rr.com, "Sandy E"
>
>> Howdy!
>>
>> Do we then decide that award-winning singers, actors, artists
>> can no longer win awards because they have their trophies?
>> "You've already won Olympic medals so no more contests for you!"
>> "Fire the race car drivers because they've already had their moments
>> in the winner's circle." "Sorry, rodeo stars, you've had your ride,
>> take your ribbons and go home." "All you Winners: beat it! No repeats!!"
>>
>> Perhaps the same quilters keep winning the awards because they
>> keep entering their finest work. And they do work at it, don't they? ;-)
>>
>> R/Sandy- I think I remember saying, "sometimes 'adequate'...isn't"
>>
>>
>> On 10/18/09 7:16 PM, in article eqbnd5doitj5ddrv42kkrodqvrtc1tprf9@4ax.com,
>>
>>>
>>>> Am I the only one who sort of wonders why the "giants" of the quilting
>>>> world are still competing, still sort of soaking up the top spots in
>>>> the big competitions? I mean, I'm seeing names on the winners' list
>>>> (and truly amazing art that just knocks my socks off) who I consider
>>>> in a league of their own; they'll be written up in art history books
>>>>
>>>> Sunny
>>>
>>> Part of me is thinking that they should "retire" at least for awhile
>>> after so many wins or at least take a break. But then I realize that
>>> this is how they make their name and their $.
>>>
>>> Since it is not as though any of them are in the way of my winning
>>> anything, I guess I'm not going to worry about it.
>>>
>>> Mary
>>
>
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Posted by Polly Esther on October 18, 2009, 11:54 pm
I notice that too, Sunny. Reckon we ought to go knock them off their
pedestals with some really fine stitching of our own? They won't even see
us coming. LOL
Polly
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"Sunny" <wrote> Am I the only one who sort of wonders why the "giants" of
the quilting
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> world are still competing, still sort of soaking up the top spots in
> the big competitions? I mean, I'm seeing names on the winners' list
> (and truly amazing art that just knocks my socks off) who I consider
> in a league of their own; they'll be written up in art history books
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Posted by Sunny on October 19, 2009, 12:27 am
ROFL Polly, yeah I figure I'll just whip up some Houston winning kind
of quilt. Maybe I'll work on it later this week.... finish up in a
week or two so I have plenty of time to look at it before sending it
off to Houston. hehehehe
Sunny
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> had a reaction similar to Sunny's. I started debating with myself: Should
> there be a category for "professional" quilters and another for "the rest
> of us"? But how would we determine who fell into the category of
> "professional"? That would open a whole 'nother can of worms!