OT I have to ask again! - Page 5

>I was trying to stay quiet but I don't think I can. I believe Anne has
> problems that go way beyond anything most of us has ever dealt with.
> She's suffering. Probably part of that suffering is self-inflicted.
> That's almost always true. We hurt ourselves in such awful ways. Right
> now, I'm doing something that is NOT in my best interest by speaking
> up.
> Ginger is my dear friend and sister in spirit and I just can't say
> enough about her heart and strength and courage. I don't know Anne.
> The only thing I know about her is that she has massive problems. And
> I just can't stand to see someone hurting and not jump in. I have no
> idea how to help her, or why she can't accept offered help. I think I
> have a pretty good idea, but it's only conjecture and I won't go into
> it. I'm the person who keeps a leash in my car all the time because I
> pick up so many lost dogs and cats. The local animal control knows me.
> I'm the one in the neighborhood who takes in orphan birds and picks up
> snakes that have wandered into the neighbor's laundry room. I've been
> bitten, but that doesn't stop me. And I guess that's why I'm still
> praying for Anne and hoping she finds this a place of comfort.
> I guess my thought is that compassion is the only thing I can offer. I
> don't have knowledge or information or even good sense most of the
> time. But I can offer compassion and prayers. I don't expect anybody
> else to do anything. I'm just holding out hope that this group's
> collective heart is big enough to stick together and not fall apart
> along pro-Anne and anti-Anne lines. We're friends, sisters, brothers,
> old biddies (speaking of myself here) and some of us are total
> nutcases (again speaking of myself -- I'm complicated). We're really
> not much alike and we have a lot of differences. Put us together and
> we make a pretty decent scrap quilt -- there are great harmonies and
> loud clashes. But the overall effect is beautiful.
> Hugs to every one of you,
> Sunny

>I was trying to stay quiet but I don't think I can. I believe Anne has
> problems that go way beyond anything most of us has ever dealt with.
> She's suffering. Probably part of that suffering is self-inflicted.
> That's almost always true. We hurt ourselves in such awful ways. Right
> now, I'm doing something that is NOT in my best interest by speaking
> up.
> Ginger is my dear friend and sister in spirit and I just can't say
> enough about her heart and strength and courage. I don't know Anne.
> The only thing I know about her is that she has massive problems. And
> I just can't stand to see someone hurting and not jump in. I have no
> idea how to help her, or why she can't accept offered help. I think I
> have a pretty good idea, but it's only conjecture and I won't go into
> it. I'm the person who keeps a leash in my car all the time because I
> pick up so many lost dogs and cats. The local animal control knows me.
> I'm the one in the neighborhood who takes in orphan birds and picks up
> snakes that have wandered into the neighbor's laundry room. I've been
> bitten, but that doesn't stop me. And I guess that's why I'm still
> praying for Anne and hoping she finds this a place of comfort.
> I guess my thought is that compassion is the only thing I can offer. I
> don't have knowledge or information or even good sense most of the
> time. But I can offer compassion and prayers. I don't expect anybody
> else to do anything. I'm just holding out hope that this group's
> collective heart is big enough to stick together and not fall apart
> along pro-Anne and anti-Anne lines. We're friends, sisters, brothers,
> old biddies (speaking of myself here) and some of us are total
> nutcases (again speaking of myself -- I'm complicated). We're really
> not much alike and we have a lot of differences. Put us together and
> we make a pretty decent scrap quilt -- there are great harmonies and
> loud clashes. But the overall effect is beautiful.
> Hugs to every one of you,
> Sunny

> I'm sorry to see that the group has "turned" on Anne. She obviously needs
> help; now, whether she will accept it is another story. If she is
> experiencing mental problems, her view of her health is probably altered
> and her ability to know that she must get help and accept it is lacking.
> I know it's extremely frustrating trying to help someone who does not
> grasp that they need help. Maybe we should just be there for her.
> There's not much else we can do via email. I know many of us have offered
> prayers and advice and direct help. Other than that we cannot have to
> many expectations of her.
> God bless mental health workers,
> Michelle G.
>>I read your message, Ginger. And as I recall, Anne didn't have to be part
>>of Group Health to get the help your sister offered. Your sister was very
>>generous in allowing her info to be posted in a public forum such as this.
>>Anyone truly ill would jump at any source of help not pick and choose
>>because of convenience. Anne is definitely ill whether it be PP
>>depression or something else causing her to demand attention.
>> Nuff said, I'm going back to my sewing machine.
>> --
>> Mary
>> http://community.webshots.com/user/mardor1948?vhost=community
>> I believe that a person is made up of physical, emotional, spiritual
>> and mental components. Each of these components have to be addressed
>> and balanced for us to feel "our best". What works one day is not
>> quite the right combination the next day.
>> A bit over a week ago I put my concerns aside, in an effort to assist
>> you in what you had posted was deep depression and suicidal thoughts.
>> I contacted my sister who works at the hospital near you, and posted
>> here how to get there, who to speak with, even her name since she was
>> available to work with you. I didn't have to do that, and neither did
>> she. Not even a "thank you, I appreciate the effort" comment from you.
>> Coming now it would be too late, coming after prompting from me it
>> would not seem heartfelt. She concurred with me that you were just
>> seeking attention and didn't want to really get help.
>> Ginger in CA
>

> Seems like God is really choosing to test our family at the moment, I do
> rejoice in this as the bible tells us that he gives us trials to make us
> stronger! But that doesn't mean we don't need to pray, or ask others to
> pray for us.
>
> Physically, I continue to struggle, nausea is big problem, as is some
> generalised pain, when I couldn't move, I was stuck with my neck in a
> funny position, I'm aware from have struggled with a neck injury in the
> past that there is a certain spot where nausea is a symptom, so I don't
> know whether the nausea is related to that, or if it's still a drug
> related problem. I'm also struggling with sleep, it's taking me a long
> time to fall asleep each night, the first two nights I was home in the
> middle of the night after not falling asleep, I switched my alarm clock
> off, but yesterday I was convicted that regardless of how badly I slept,
> I still needed to get up to spend time with God and that the alarm would
> stay set, regardless. When it woke me, I hit snooze, thinking I was
> turning it off, I'm praising God for the snooze button as 8 minutes
> later when it went off again, I saw my error and made sure that I took
> my time this morning to abide with Him.
>
> Yesterday afternoon, my MIL fell on the stairs carrying a laundry basket
> and broke her wrist, she actually seems remarkably well and genuinely
> seems to be in very little pain, at first they thought she'd need
> surgery, but the doctor in the ER then was pleased with how he'd managed
> to set it and the hand surgeon confirmed today that the set was good and
> she doesn't need surgery, though they'll check again next week.
>
> This is a logistical problem for us as I felt I wasn't up to driving so
> she was supposed to be helping out with that, I ended up deciding I'd
> better try driving last night when there wasn't traffic and determined
> that I was safe, even though it makes me feel bad. It also means that I
> need to do all the cooking, rather than sharing it, cooking dinner last
> night was a classic example of how I've been feeling in general since
> this all happened, that multi tasking is very difficult for me! We
> managed to get dinner, though not any vegetables, which we can deal
> with! It's hard for us to get take out or buy prepared stuff as I am
> wheat free and my MIL doesn't do cheese or citrus and other things that
> are slipping my mind right now.
>
> It also makes things a little tricky with childcare, just simple things
> like me not carrying the baby up and down the stairs whilst I've been
> feeling a bit wobbly, I now have to do, so please pray for safety. I
> also have a couple of appointments where she was supposed to be watching
> the baby, which could be difficult, she's ok playing with a 4 year old
> by the looks of things.
>
> My husband also got a new job on Thursday, it's a sideways move in the
> same company, good for his long term career, but more of a difficulty
> than a celebration temporarily as they want him in the new team straight
> away, but he still has to tie up ends from the old team, so he's got
> extra work to do.
>
> Our car is displaying the maintenance required warning light, it could
> be as simple as saying it's due for service, but we'll have to take it
> to the dealership so they can plug it into the computer and tell us what
> it is, which is a job my husband will have to do, as there is no way I
> can drive either that far, or on the freeway to get there.
>
> Another thing that doesn't effect us directly is the deaths of two
> members of our old church in the UK, one an elderly lady, who's husband
> had already passed on, we are able to rejoice in, though we are saddened
> that we won't be able to pay our respects at the funeral on Friday. The
> other was one of the elders, he was diagnosed with a chronic and rare
> form of leukemia in the summer, but the prognosis seemed to be good and
> they had found a match for a bone marrow transplant, but he got
> pneumonia and died last night, I'm finding this much harder emotionally,
> we'd prayed for him, but I regret not taking the time to send him a
> word of encouragement. He leaves a wife and 5 sons, aged 20-30, we'll be
> sure not to forget to send a message of condolence. Again, it's hard
> being so far from where we call home and not being there to mourn with
> others. A positive I can take from this is that after being here 3
> years, I've finally got to the point where I feel the same connection
> within our church here and would be devastated if one of the leadership
> were to pass on.
>
> I wrote up a note on facebook with details about what happened on
> Wednesday, I'm Anne Rogers, with a picture of me in a red latin dance
> dress if you want to friend me.
>
> Thank you,
> Anne