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Posted by Edna Pearl on September 17, 2009, 2:57 pm
I'm half Czech, and any mention of a "kolache" (phonetic spelling because I
don't know how to do diacritical marks in an e-mail) leads to arguments
regarding what actually constitutes a kolache -- sometime acrimonious ones.
I hope you were not injured during this exchange :-D
EP
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> Forgive my spelling, when venturing into foriegn languages it is even
> iffier than usual.
> I was shopping today, sort of. Browsing for a new washer as my 15
> year old Whirlpool has finally developed a problem expensive enough to
> fix that I might as well buy a new one.
> While we were in Home Depot I heard a man exclaim "I would pay fifty
> dollars for a gomboc!" I immediately whirled around and walked back
> down the aisle and said "Done! What kinds and how many?" I mean jeez
> I am having to shop for a new washer, money is good right now. He
> looked at me oddly. I cringed and said "Oh dear, didn't you just say
> you would give fifty dollars for gomboc?", thinking maybe sticker
> shock was taking it's toll. He said he certainly did say that, but
> they only come in one kind so I had confused him. I pointed out that
> I know how to make szilvas gombac, jam gombac, turros gombac, and
> makos gombac, there are indeed all different kinds. We had to huddle
> and compare notes. He walked away in a bemused state with some
> recipes on his palmie, and I walked away in a bemused state with the
> knowledge that Hungarian mathmeticians made a three dimensional object
> that has one stable and one unstable point of equalibrium when it is
> sitting on something. Guy is a math teacher at the college, his wife
> kept telling him if he wanted something exotic he was going to have to
> cook it!. So far as the hungarian mathmeticians, apparently they
> thought it would be cool to name their thingy after dumplings.
> Mrs. Lina (don't even ask me to spell her last name, RIP) that used to
> live up the street taught me how to make these.
> Before starting, set a pot of water to boil, deep is good, wide is not
> so important.
> The Dough
> take equal quantities flour and cold plain mashed potatos, for every
> cup of flour use one egg, and a half teaspoon (or thereabouts) of
> salt.
> Cut enough butter into the flour to achieve a meal like texture.
> Add potatos and salt and mix, add eggs. Work into a dough and fill as
> directed. If your flour is very dry, you may need more fluid.
> Seperate an egg, and try one half or the other, adding the rest if
> needed.
> Szlivas Gombac
> make dough with 2 cups of flour
> Take a dozen plums (you may need more if you use those weeny prune
> plums, or less if you use monstrous huge ones), wash well, then cut
> them just enough to get the pit out. Replace the pit with a sugared
> almond.
> Put a plum in the center of each square, moisten the edges, fold over
> and seal. Take the dumpling between your palms and roll it into a
> ball.
> Turn the water down to a gentle boil, keep it boiling but don't let it
> get exuberant.
> Put the dumplings in the water one at a time with a slotted spoon. let
> cook for about fifteen minutes, they will rise to the top when they
> are done remove them as they come up. Set aside in a collender to
> cool.
> In a frying pan, melt another couple of tablespoons of butter. Add
> fine crumbs (a cup or cup and a half thereabouts), and brown.
> roll the dumplings in the crumbs.
> serve as is or sprinkled with sugar or cinnamon sugar.
> The above may be made with small apricots instead of plums, with
> sliced fruit if the pits are stubborn, or with pieces of almost any
> somewhat soft fruit.
> With the following fillings be extra careful about sealing the dough,
> and gentle when rolling into balls. Also gauge your quantity of
> filling carefully, use too much and it will burst the dumpling and
> vanish into the boiling pot:
> jam gomboc
> make as above, but use a small spoon of jam instead of fruit.
> turos gombac
> use a small spoon of drained cottage cheese as filling.
> If you want these as a main dish or savory side, skip the sugar. In
> that case you can add crumbled bacon to the cottage cheese if you
> like.
> makos gombac
> grind a cup of poppy seed, mix over gentle heat with a two tablespoons
> of sugar, two tablespoons of milk, and an egg white, until thickened.
> (not very long at all)
> when cool use as dumpling filling.
> NightMist
> mouthy thing aren't I? (G)
> --
> Legolas is my house elf
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Posted by Taria on September 17, 2009, 3:15 pm
Edna, you should send all sample to me so I can give you the
definitive answer on Kolache.
My mama didn't cook much czech food and g'ma didn't teach
us. I have spent a lot of energy and calories trying to recreate the
memories of the czech food. I doubt I will ever get near apple
strudel in my memory, but not for lacking many attempts.
All the sibs that remember g'ma's baked goods appreciate
any effort. ; ) Cousin just got back from a summer in Europe
and claims she found some 'just like we remember' strudel in
Poland somewhere. Yum!
Taria
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> I'm half Czech, and any mention of a "kolache" (phonetic spelling because
> I don't know how to do diacritical marks in an e-mail) leads to arguments
> regarding what actually constitutes a kolache -- sometime acrimonious
> ones.
> I hope you were not injured during this exchange :-D
> EP
>> Forgive my spelling, when venturing into foriegn languages it is even
>> iffier than usual.
>> I was shopping today, sort of. Browsing for a new washer as my 15
>> year old Whirlpool has finally developed a problem expensive enough to
>> fix that I might as well buy a new one.
>> While we were in Home Depot I heard a man exclaim "I would pay fifty
>> dollars for a gomboc!" I immediately whirled around and walked back
>> down the aisle and said "Done! What kinds and how many?" I mean jeez
>> I am having to shop for a new washer, money is good right now. He
>> looked at me oddly. I cringed and said "Oh dear, didn't you just say
>> you would give fifty dollars for gomboc?", thinking maybe sticker
>> shock was taking it's toll. He said he certainly did say that, but
>> they only come in one kind so I had confused him. I pointed out that
>> I know how to make szilvas gombac, jam gombac, turros gombac, and
>> makos gombac, there are indeed all different kinds. We had to huddle
>> and compare notes. He walked away in a bemused state with some
>> recipes on his palmie, and I walked away in a bemused state with the
>> knowledge that Hungarian mathmeticians made a three dimensional object
>> that has one stable and one unstable point of equalibrium when it is
>> sitting on something. Guy is a math teacher at the college, his wife
>> kept telling him if he wanted something exotic he was going to have to
>> cook it!. So far as the hungarian mathmeticians, apparently they
>> thought it would be cool to name their thingy after dumplings.
>> Mrs. Lina (don't even ask me to spell her last name, RIP) that used to
>> live up the street taught me how to make these.
>> Before starting, set a pot of water to boil, deep is good, wide is not
>> so important.
>> The Dough
>> take equal quantities flour and cold plain mashed potatos, for every
>> cup of flour use one egg, and a half teaspoon (or thereabouts) of
>> salt.
>> Cut enough butter into the flour to achieve a meal like texture.
>> Add potatos and salt and mix, add eggs. Work into a dough and fill as
>> directed. If your flour is very dry, you may need more fluid.
>> Seperate an egg, and try one half or the other, adding the rest if
>> needed.
>> Szlivas Gombac
>> make dough with 2 cups of flour
>> Take a dozen plums (you may need more if you use those weeny prune
>> plums, or less if you use monstrous huge ones), wash well, then cut
>> them just enough to get the pit out. Replace the pit with a sugared
>> almond.
>> Put a plum in the center of each square, moisten the edges, fold over
>> and seal. Take the dumpling between your palms and roll it into a
>> ball.
>> Turn the water down to a gentle boil, keep it boiling but don't let it
>> get exuberant.
>> Put the dumplings in the water one at a time with a slotted spoon. let
>> cook for about fifteen minutes, they will rise to the top when they
>> are done remove them as they come up. Set aside in a collender to
>> cool.
>> In a frying pan, melt another couple of tablespoons of butter. Add
>> fine crumbs (a cup or cup and a half thereabouts), and brown.
>> roll the dumplings in the crumbs.
>> serve as is or sprinkled with sugar or cinnamon sugar.
>> The above may be made with small apricots instead of plums, with
>> sliced fruit if the pits are stubborn, or with pieces of almost any
>> somewhat soft fruit.
>> With the following fillings be extra careful about sealing the dough,
>> and gentle when rolling into balls. Also gauge your quantity of
>> filling carefully, use too much and it will burst the dumpling and
>> vanish into the boiling pot:
>> jam gomboc
>> make as above, but use a small spoon of jam instead of fruit.
>> turos gombac
>> use a small spoon of drained cottage cheese as filling.
>> If you want these as a main dish or savory side, skip the sugar. In
>> that case you can add crumbled bacon to the cottage cheese if you
>> like.
>> makos gombac
>> grind a cup of poppy seed, mix over gentle heat with a two tablespoons
>> of sugar, two tablespoons of milk, and an egg white, until thickened.
>> (not very long at all)
>> when cool use as dumpling filling.
>> NightMist
>> mouthy thing aren't I? (G)
>> --
>> Legolas is my house elf
>
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Posted by Edna Pearl on September 17, 2009, 3:35 pm
I have my GM's apple strudel recipe and guard it with my life. (Though I
*have* given it to my best friend -- just in case I lose my copies.) It
takes hours to make. The dough is full of lard (nothing else will work) and
has to be so thin you can see a flowered tablecloth through (I have my GM's
flowered tablecloth, which is just the right size) but so strong you can
pick it up without it tearing. The dough when rolled out is almost as big
as my dining room table. The finished product weighs about ten pounds. In
order to get it out of the pan, you have to wrap the pan in the tablecloth,
flip the whole thing upside down, on a tray, and unwrap the tablecloth.
Did you ever see the movie "Dune"? Remember the sand worms? That's just
what my strudel looks like. You expect the end to open like a big sandworm
mouth and devour everyone at the table, as well as the table.
EP
show/hide quoted text
> Edna, you should send all sample to me so I can give you the
> definitive answer on Kolache.
> My mama didn't cook much czech food and g'ma didn't teach
> us. I have spent a lot of energy and calories trying to recreate the
> memories of the czech food. I doubt I will ever get near apple
> strudel in my memory, but not for lacking many attempts.
> All the sibs that remember g'ma's baked goods appreciate
> any effort. ; ) Cousin just got back from a summer in Europe
> and claims she found some 'just like we remember' strudel in
> Poland somewhere. Yum!
> Taria
>> I'm half Czech, and any mention of a "kolache" (phonetic spelling because
>> I don't know how to do diacritical marks in an e-mail) leads to arguments
>> regarding what actually constitutes a kolache -- sometime acrimonious
>> ones.
>> I hope you were not injured during this exchange :-D
>> EP
>>> Forgive my spelling, when venturing into foriegn languages it is even
>>> iffier than usual.
>>> I was shopping today, sort of. Browsing for a new washer as my 15
>>> year old Whirlpool has finally developed a problem expensive enough to
>>> fix that I might as well buy a new one.
>>> While we were in Home Depot I heard a man exclaim "I would pay fifty
>>> dollars for a gomboc!" I immediately whirled around and walked back
>>> down the aisle and said "Done! What kinds and how many?" I mean jeez
>>> I am having to shop for a new washer, money is good right now. He
>>> looked at me oddly. I cringed and said "Oh dear, didn't you just say
>>> you would give fifty dollars for gomboc?", thinking maybe sticker
>>> shock was taking it's toll. He said he certainly did say that, but
>>> they only come in one kind so I had confused him. I pointed out that
>>> I know how to make szilvas gombac, jam gombac, turros gombac, and
>>> makos gombac, there are indeed all different kinds. We had to huddle
>>> and compare notes. He walked away in a bemused state with some
>>> recipes on his palmie, and I walked away in a bemused state with the
>>> knowledge that Hungarian mathmeticians made a three dimensional object
>>> that has one stable and one unstable point of equalibrium when it is
>>> sitting on something. Guy is a math teacher at the college, his wife
>>> kept telling him if he wanted something exotic he was going to have to
>>> cook it!. So far as the hungarian mathmeticians, apparently they
>>> thought it would be cool to name their thingy after dumplings.
>>> Mrs. Lina (don't even ask me to spell her last name, RIP) that used to
>>> live up the street taught me how to make these.
>>> Before starting, set a pot of water to boil, deep is good, wide is not
>>> so important.
>>> The Dough
>>> take equal quantities flour and cold plain mashed potatos, for every
>>> cup of flour use one egg, and a half teaspoon (or thereabouts) of
>>> salt.
>>> Cut enough butter into the flour to achieve a meal like texture.
>>> Add potatos and salt and mix, add eggs. Work into a dough and fill as
>>> directed. If your flour is very dry, you may need more fluid.
>>> Seperate an egg, and try one half or the other, adding the rest if
>>> needed.
>>> Szlivas Gombac
>>> make dough with 2 cups of flour
>>> Take a dozen plums (you may need more if you use those weeny prune
>>> plums, or less if you use monstrous huge ones), wash well, then cut
>>> them just enough to get the pit out. Replace the pit with a sugared
>>> almond.
>>> Put a plum in the center of each square, moisten the edges, fold over
>>> and seal. Take the dumpling between your palms and roll it into a
>>> ball.
>>> Turn the water down to a gentle boil, keep it boiling but don't let it
>>> get exuberant.
>>> Put the dumplings in the water one at a time with a slotted spoon. let
>>> cook for about fifteen minutes, they will rise to the top when they
>>> are done remove them as they come up. Set aside in a collender to
>>> cool.
>>> In a frying pan, melt another couple of tablespoons of butter. Add
>>> fine crumbs (a cup or cup and a half thereabouts), and brown.
>>> roll the dumplings in the crumbs.
>>> serve as is or sprinkled with sugar or cinnamon sugar.
>>> The above may be made with small apricots instead of plums, with
>>> sliced fruit if the pits are stubborn, or with pieces of almost any
>>> somewhat soft fruit.
>>> With the following fillings be extra careful about sealing the dough,
>>> and gentle when rolling into balls. Also gauge your quantity of
>>> filling carefully, use too much and it will burst the dumpling and
>>> vanish into the boiling pot:
>>> jam gomboc
>>> make as above, but use a small spoon of jam instead of fruit.
>>> turos gombac
>>> use a small spoon of drained cottage cheese as filling.
>>> If you want these as a main dish or savory side, skip the sugar. In
>>> that case you can add crumbled bacon to the cottage cheese if you
>>> like.
>>> makos gombac
>>> grind a cup of poppy seed, mix over gentle heat with a two tablespoons
>>> of sugar, two tablespoons of milk, and an egg white, until thickened.
>>> (not very long at all)
>>> when cool use as dumpling filling.
>>> NightMist
>>> mouthy thing aren't I? (G)
>>> --
>>> Legolas is my house elf
>
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Posted by Kate XXXXXX on September 17, 2009, 4:11 pm
Edna Pearl wrote:
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> I have my GM's apple strudel recipe and guard it with my life. (Though I
> *have* given it to my best friend -- just in case I lose my copies.) It
> takes hours to make. The dough is full of lard (nothing else will work) and
> has to be so thin you can see a flowered tablecloth through (I have my GM's
> flowered tablecloth, which is just the right size) but so strong you can
> pick it up without it tearing. The dough when rolled out is almost as big
> as my dining room table. The finished product weighs about ten pounds. In
> order to get it out of the pan, you have to wrap the pan in the tablecloth,
> flip the whole thing upside down, on a tray, and unwrap the tablecloth.
>
> Did you ever see the movie "Dune"? Remember the sand worms? That's just
> what my strudel looks like. You expect the end to open like a big sandworm
> mouth and devour everyone at the table, as well as the table.
>
> EP
Edna, that is priceless! I'm comming for a visit... I'll bring the
GMNT to help us eat/wressle with the strudel...
I cheat and use filo pastry. Not, it isn't the same, but is does save
my tablecloths... ;)
--
Kate XXXXXX R.C.T.Q Madame Chef des Trolls
Lady Catherine, Wardrobe Mistress of the Chocolate Buttons
http://www.katedicey.co.uk Click on Kate's Pages and explore!
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Posted by Edna Pearl on September 17, 2009, 4:09 pm
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> Edna Pearl wrote:
>> I have my GM's apple strudel recipe and guard it with my life. (Though I
>> *have* given it to my best friend -- just in case I lose my copies.) It
>> takes hours to make. The dough is full of lard (nothing else will work)
>> and has to be so thin you can see a flowered tablecloth through (I have
>> my GM's flowered tablecloth, which is just the right size) but so strong
>> you can pick it up without it tearing. The dough when rolled out is
>> almost as big as my dining room table. The finished product weighs about
>> ten pounds. In order to get it out of the pan, you have to wrap the pan
>> in the tablecloth, flip the whole thing upside down, on a tray, and
>> unwrap the tablecloth.
>> Did you ever see the movie "Dune"? Remember the sand worms? That's just
>> what my strudel looks like. You expect the end to open like a big
>> sandworm mouth and devour everyone at the table, as well as the table.
>> EP
> Edna, that is priceless! I'm comming for a visit... I'll bring the GMNT
> to help us eat/wressle with the strudel...
> I cheat and use filo pastry. Not, it isn't the same, but is does save my
> tablecloths... ;)
Sinner!
EP
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> iffier than usual.
> I was shopping today, sort of. Browsing for a new washer as my 15
> year old Whirlpool has finally developed a problem expensive enough to
> fix that I might as well buy a new one.
> While we were in Home Depot I heard a man exclaim "I would pay fifty
> dollars for a gomboc!" I immediately whirled around and walked back
> down the aisle and said "Done! What kinds and how many?" I mean jeez
> I am having to shop for a new washer, money is good right now. He
> looked at me oddly. I cringed and said "Oh dear, didn't you just say
> you would give fifty dollars for gomboc?", thinking maybe sticker
> shock was taking it's toll. He said he certainly did say that, but
> they only come in one kind so I had confused him. I pointed out that
> I know how to make szilvas gombac, jam gombac, turros gombac, and
> makos gombac, there are indeed all different kinds. We had to huddle
> and compare notes. He walked away in a bemused state with some
> recipes on his palmie, and I walked away in a bemused state with the
> knowledge that Hungarian mathmeticians made a three dimensional object
> that has one stable and one unstable point of equalibrium when it is
> sitting on something. Guy is a math teacher at the college, his wife
> kept telling him if he wanted something exotic he was going to have to
> cook it!. So far as the hungarian mathmeticians, apparently they
> thought it would be cool to name their thingy after dumplings.
> Mrs. Lina (don't even ask me to spell her last name, RIP) that used to
> live up the street taught me how to make these.
> Before starting, set a pot of water to boil, deep is good, wide is not
> so important.
> The Dough
> take equal quantities flour and cold plain mashed potatos, for every
> cup of flour use one egg, and a half teaspoon (or thereabouts) of
> salt.
> Cut enough butter into the flour to achieve a meal like texture.
> Add potatos and salt and mix, add eggs. Work into a dough and fill as
> directed. If your flour is very dry, you may need more fluid.
> Seperate an egg, and try one half or the other, adding the rest if
> needed.
> Szlivas Gombac
> make dough with 2 cups of flour
> Take a dozen plums (you may need more if you use those weeny prune
> plums, or less if you use monstrous huge ones), wash well, then cut
> them just enough to get the pit out. Replace the pit with a sugared
> almond.
> Put a plum in the center of each square, moisten the edges, fold over
> and seal. Take the dumpling between your palms and roll it into a
> ball.
> Turn the water down to a gentle boil, keep it boiling but don't let it
> get exuberant.
> Put the dumplings in the water one at a time with a slotted spoon. let
> cook for about fifteen minutes, they will rise to the top when they
> are done remove them as they come up. Set aside in a collender to
> cool.
> In a frying pan, melt another couple of tablespoons of butter. Add
> fine crumbs (a cup or cup and a half thereabouts), and brown.
> roll the dumplings in the crumbs.
> serve as is or sprinkled with sugar or cinnamon sugar.
> The above may be made with small apricots instead of plums, with
> sliced fruit if the pits are stubborn, or with pieces of almost any
> somewhat soft fruit.
> With the following fillings be extra careful about sealing the dough,
> and gentle when rolling into balls. Also gauge your quantity of
> filling carefully, use too much and it will burst the dumpling and
> vanish into the boiling pot:
> jam gomboc
> make as above, but use a small spoon of jam instead of fruit.
> turos gombac
> use a small spoon of drained cottage cheese as filling.
> If you want these as a main dish or savory side, skip the sugar. In
> that case you can add crumbled bacon to the cottage cheese if you
> like.
> makos gombac
> grind a cup of poppy seed, mix over gentle heat with a two tablespoons
> of sugar, two tablespoons of milk, and an egg white, until thickened.
> (not very long at all)
> when cool use as dumpling filling.
> NightMist
> mouthy thing aren't I? (G)
> --
> Legolas is my house elf