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Posted by Louise in Iowa on September 18, 2009, 1:55 pm
I was telling DH about our discussion, and we decided to head for Sykora
Bakery in Czech Village for coffee and kolache! And I learned something new.
I was getting confused by the different names I was seeing (kolache,
kolacky, etc.) and was mistakenly thinking they were just different names
for the same thing. Wrong! Now probably everybody else had that figured
out - I'm just a little slow sometimes. We had kolache this morning - like
what was shown in the picture Sandy E. linked to (a soft sweet roll-type
pastry with a fruit filling - about 3"x3" or a little bigger). But . . .
they also had the cookie that was a flat square of pastry with a fruit
filling and the two corners brought together in the middle. I hadn't seen
those before, and they explained those were called kolacky. So now, I'm
unconfused - for the time being at least!
--
Louise in Iowa
nieland1390@mchsi dot com
http://community.webshots.com/user/louiseiniowa
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> Kolaches from West, Texas, for sure.
> Nann
> all those years growing up in suburban Chicago, and I had to move to
> Texas to discover Czech and Slovak food
> (the fact that I lived in Brenham, home of Bluebell Ice Cream, was
> another happy culinary discovery)
>> Howdy!
>> This IS The Kolache in this half of Texas:
>> http://www.czechstop.net/home.php
>> They've migrated north via I-35, and often show up at church
>> Food is never off topic for quilters or quilting. ;-P
>> R/Sandy- enjoyed a piece of chocolate cake at Luby's this evening,
>> celebrating first son's 30th birthday (I did all the work
>> 30 yrs ago: I deserved cake!)
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Posted by Listpig on September 18, 2009, 7:51 pm
Nope, it's not that simple. What I'm talking about is *not* sweet roll type
pastry.....it's very definitely a cookie, akin to shortbread dough. Same
with the rolled out one with the corners to the middle. And which name is
applied to which cookie---based on 50 years of observing Chicago area
bakeries and grocery stores---is pretty random.
Checking a dictionary will tell you that kolache, kolachky, kolacky,
kolaczki are all considered to be the same word. Just depends on whether
your source is Czech, Bohemian, Polish, Hungarian.....and/or which was
dominant in the neighborhood they grew up in. (And how well they spell, for
all that..... :)
Seem to be two pronunciations: koh-LOTCH-ee and koh-LOTCH-kee. Once again,
seems to be neighborhood/ethnicity based, but everyone gets that it's the
same thing......the only question being whether it's the round kind or the
folded kind.
--pig
On 9/18/09 13:55, in article UPPsm.56154$la3.652@attbi_s22, "Louise in Iowa"
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> We had kolache this morning - like
> what was shown in the picture Sandy E. linked to (a soft sweet roll-type
> pastry with a fruit filling - about 3"x3" or a little bigger). But . . .
> they also had the cookie that was a flat square of pastry with a fruit
> filling and the two corners brought together in the middle. I hadn't seen
> those before, and they explained those were called kolacky. So now, I'm
> unconfused - for the time being at least!
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Posted by Maureen Wozniak on September 18, 2009, 9:02 am
On Thu, 17 Sep 2009 15:17:45 -0500, Listpig wrote
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>
> --pig, who thinks the gombocs described sound like they're somewhere in the
> pierogi family.....
>
>
Agree with you there Megan. MMM, pierogi. Might be time to get out my
grandma's recipe.
Maureen
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Posted by Taria on September 18, 2009, 9:11 am
I think you hit on an important point here Maureen. Get out
grandma's recipes once in awhile and remember her fondly
as you enjoy food that others before you have enjoyed. It
really is a good think IMO.
Taria
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> Agree with you there Megan. MMM, pierogi. Might be time to get out my
> grandma's recipe.
> Maureen
>
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Posted by NightMist on September 17, 2009, 5:52 pm
I have only ever know one honest to gosh Hungarian lady in my whole
life. I was so not going to argue her recipes with her!
According to her you have kolache and you have kifli. The dough is
about the same, just more sour cream in the kolache shaped dough thus
they poof up a bit more.
With kolache you make squares of dough, then put in the filling and
make the corners meet in the center, like with love letters (I was
never able to pronounce those much less attempt spelling them!
szelermes lefle? maybe? close? no? oh well)
With kifli you start with circles of dough, put the filling in, and
fold them in half and give them a little curl to make crescents.
I do know a lass in California who misses her Hungarian gramma's
holiday cooking. So we send out a Christmas care package to her every
year, full of things like kolache and kifli, and a sack of szalonkukor
because it just isn't the same if you buy them yourself. Of course we
also send isli. Isli is just the part of the name I was able to say
when I learned to make them, I believe they are easier to find a
recipe for if you look for ischel cookies.
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<proud> I have been informed on several occasions that my holiday
baking is responsible for first quarter profit increases for several
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Plus size clothing manufacturers. <proud>
NightMist
thats bragging rights there (G)
On Thu, 17 Sep 2009 13:57:49 -0500, "Edna Pearl"
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>I'm half Czech, and any mention of a "kolache" (phonetic spelling because I
>don't know how to do diacritical marks in an e-mail) leads to arguments
>regarding what actually constitutes a kolache -- sometime acrimonious ones.
>I hope you were not injured during this exchange :-D
>EP
>> Forgive my spelling, when venturing into foriegn languages it is even
>> iffier than usual.
>> I was shopping today, sort of. Browsing for a new washer as my 15
>> year old Whirlpool has finally developed a problem expensive enough to
>> fix that I might as well buy a new one.
>> While we were in Home Depot I heard a man exclaim "I would pay fifty
>> dollars for a gomboc!" I immediately whirled around and walked back
>> down the aisle and said "Done! What kinds and how many?" I mean jeez
>> I am having to shop for a new washer, money is good right now. He
>> looked at me oddly. I cringed and said "Oh dear, didn't you just say
>> you would give fifty dollars for gomboc?", thinking maybe sticker
>> shock was taking it's toll. He said he certainly did say that, but
>> they only come in one kind so I had confused him. I pointed out that
>> I know how to make szilvas gombac, jam gombac, turros gombac, and
>> makos gombac, there are indeed all different kinds. We had to huddle
>> and compare notes. He walked away in a bemused state with some
>> recipes on his palmie, and I walked away in a bemused state with the
>> knowledge that Hungarian mathmeticians made a three dimensional object
>> that has one stable and one unstable point of equalibrium when it is
>> sitting on something. Guy is a math teacher at the college, his wife
>> kept telling him if he wanted something exotic he was going to have to
>> cook it!. So far as the hungarian mathmeticians, apparently they
>> thought it would be cool to name their thingy after dumplings.
>> Mrs. Lina (don't even ask me to spell her last name, RIP) that used to
>> live up the street taught me how to make these.
>> Before starting, set a pot of water to boil, deep is good, wide is not
>> so important.
>> The Dough
>> take equal quantities flour and cold plain mashed potatos, for every
>> cup of flour use one egg, and a half teaspoon (or thereabouts) of
>> salt.
>> Cut enough butter into the flour to achieve a meal like texture.
>> Add potatos and salt and mix, add eggs. Work into a dough and fill as
>> directed. If your flour is very dry, you may need more fluid.
>> Seperate an egg, and try one half or the other, adding the rest if
>> needed.
>> Szlivas Gombac
>> make dough with 2 cups of flour
>> Take a dozen plums (you may need more if you use those weeny prune
>> plums, or less if you use monstrous huge ones), wash well, then cut
>> them just enough to get the pit out. Replace the pit with a sugared
>> almond.
>> Put a plum in the center of each square, moisten the edges, fold over
>> and seal. Take the dumpling between your palms and roll it into a
>> ball.
>> Turn the water down to a gentle boil, keep it boiling but don't let it
>> get exuberant.
>> Put the dumplings in the water one at a time with a slotted spoon. let
>> cook for about fifteen minutes, they will rise to the top when they
>> are done remove them as they come up. Set aside in a collender to
>> cool.
>> In a frying pan, melt another couple of tablespoons of butter. Add
>> fine crumbs (a cup or cup and a half thereabouts), and brown.
>> roll the dumplings in the crumbs.
>> serve as is or sprinkled with sugar or cinnamon sugar.
>> The above may be made with small apricots instead of plums, with
>> sliced fruit if the pits are stubborn, or with pieces of almost any
>> somewhat soft fruit.
>> With the following fillings be extra careful about sealing the dough,
>> and gentle when rolling into balls. Also gauge your quantity of
>> filling carefully, use too much and it will burst the dumpling and
>> vanish into the boiling pot:
>> jam gomboc
>> make as above, but use a small spoon of jam instead of fruit.
>> turos gombac
>> use a small spoon of drained cottage cheese as filling.
>> If you want these as a main dish or savory side, skip the sugar. In
>> that case you can add crumbled bacon to the cottage cheese if you
>> like.
>> makos gombac
>> grind a cup of poppy seed, mix over gentle heat with a two tablespoons
>> of sugar, two tablespoons of milk, and an egg white, until thickened.
>> (not very long at all)
>> when cool use as dumpling filling.
>> NightMist
>> mouthy thing aren't I? (G)
>> --
>> Legolas is my house elf
--
Legolas is my house elf
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> Nann
> all those years growing up in suburban Chicago, and I had to move to
> Texas to discover Czech and Slovak food
> (the fact that I lived in Brenham, home of Bluebell Ice Cream, was
> another happy culinary discovery)
>> Howdy!
>> This IS The Kolache in this half of Texas:
>> http://www.czechstop.net/home.php
>> They've migrated north via I-35, and often show up at church
>> Food is never off topic for quilters or quilting. ;-P
>> R/Sandy- enjoyed a piece of chocolate cake at Luby's this evening,
>> celebrating first son's 30th birthday (I did all the work
>> 30 yrs ago: I deserved cake!)