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Posted by Edna Pearl on October 4, 2009, 3:59 pm
Thanks for taking the time to explain, Sunny.
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> Unless you've experienced the horrid blackness of depression you can't
> understand fully what Anne's going through. Yes, she's being
> oppositional. That's part of the depression -- if she could see a
> solution or believe something would work, she wouldn't be depressed.
> Not wanting to care for her baby is part of the depression. My
> suspicion is it's nature's way of protecting a helpless baby with a
> depressed mom -- mom doesn't want to see the baby so she hands it off
> to someone else to care for.
> And that brings us to breastfeeding vs. weaning. I was a volunteer
> breastfeeding support for four years and have a tiny bit of knowledge.
> When the baby is weaned, the mom's body is suddenly deprived of
> prolactin. Prolactin is the wonderful hormone that breastfeeding moms
> produce that gives so many of us that peaceful, calm warmth and calm.
> Obviously, a severely depressed mom is short on prolactin in the first
> place and a sudden weaning would add to the chemical assault on her
> brain.
> Anne is in a bad spot. She has no support system here and wouldn't
> have one back in England, either. It sounds like she comes from a
> religious background that is punitive and backwards. Depression,
> including postpartum depression, is a disease. I've watched my sister
> suffer (and nearly die) from depression for her entire adult life.
> She's never had children because she feared passing on that gene. When
> she's in the depths (and this goes for all depressives), there is no
> good answer to anything. She refuses all treatment because she
> believes it would make her worse rather than better. That attitude is
> part of the disease.
> Please don't be judgmental or close your hearts to Anne's plight. You
> may not be able to relate to where she is. That doesn't mean she can
> simply put down her disease and join you and me in the happy world of
> sunshine and cheerful babies. If you have it in you to pray for Anne,
> then I believe she needs that very much. If you have the ability to
> send her a word or hope, she needs that too. Mostly all we can do for
> Anne is to listen to her and offer gentle words of love and hope. It's
> a bit of a bandaid on a broken bone, but still it's better than
> nothing. And it's far better than criticizing her. Pray that you never
> fall into the depths where Anne lives now.
> Sunny
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Posted by Maureen Wozniak on October 5, 2009, 8:47 am
On Sun, 4 Oct 2009 15:50:22 -0500, Anne Rogers wrote
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> I was also blessed with a phone call last night from a friend from my
> quilt group, she goes to the church that our church is a plant from, so
> she knows what the leadership is like, she's also a nurse and has had
> depression herself, she had some useful advice for me.
>
>
> Cheers
> Anne
I'm so happy to hear this. I hope she can be rock for you as you find your
way through this.
Maureen
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Posted by DiMa on October 3, 2009, 11:00 pm
Gen,
It is a very real illness - the info below might help you understand a bit
better.
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Postpartum depression (PPD), also called postnatal depression, is a form of
clinical depression which can affect women, and less frequently men, after
childbirth. Studies report prevalence rates among women from 5% to 25%, but
methodological differences among the studies make the actual prevalence rate
unclear. Postpartum depression occurs in women after they have carried a
child, usually in the first few months. Symptoms include sadness, fatigue,
insomnia, appetite changes, reduced libido, crying episodes, anxiety, and
irritability. The condition is surprisingly common. Current data suggests
that 5 to 9 percent of women will develop postpartum depression, but less
than one in five of these women will seek professional help" (Jacobs, 68).
It is sometimes assumed that postpartum depression is caused by a lack of
vitamins[citation needed], but studies tend to show that more likely causes
are the significant changes in a woman's hormones during pregnancy[citation
needed]. On the other hand, hormonal treatment has not helped postpartum
depression victims. Many women recover because of a support group or
counseling.[1][2]
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Di
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> What a sad statement. Guess you'll just have to adapt some way. I can't
> imagine not wanting to care for a baby. Seems every time you're given an
> option, either it won't work or you don't want to do it. Sad, sad.
> Gen
>> Plus, it means I have to be involved with her even at times when I don't
>> want to, far better than handing over care to the MIL.
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Posted by on October 4, 2009, 12:12 am
I will step up and agree with Gen.
I have had diagnosed clinical depression [including suicidal
ideations], and am on constant vigilance to not get to those places
again.
It takes a commitment to go after help, and campaign for it. I will
not go on and on here, for reasons of not wanting to get nasty-grams
sent to me.
Ginger in CA
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> What a sad statement. =A0Guess you'll just have to adapt some way. =A0I c=
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> option, either it won't work or you don't want to do it. =A0Sad, sad.
> Gen
> > Plus, it means I have to be involved with her even at times when I don'=
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Posted by Gen on October 4, 2009, 4:01 pm
At last---common sense spoken. My point was, if help is available and the
patient refuses to comply-quit complaining. As in most medical problems,
some sort of compliance and vigilance is required of the patient. I wish
you the best of luck in managing your problem, and no nasty-gram from here.
Gen
I will step up and agree with Gen.
I have had diagnosed clinical depression [including suicidal
ideations], and am on constant vigilance to not get to those places
again.
It takes a commitment to go after help, and campaign for it. I will
not go on and on here, for reasons of not wanting to get nasty-grams
sent to me.
Ginger in CA
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> What a sad statement. Guess you'll just have to adapt some way. I can't
> imagine not wanting to care for a baby. Seems every time you're given an
> option, either it won't work or you don't want to do it. Sad, sad.
> Gen
> > Plus, it means I have to be involved with her even at times when I don't
> > want to, far better than handing over care to the MIL.- Hide quoted
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> understand fully what Anne's going through. Yes, she's being
> oppositional. That's part of the depression -- if she could see a
> solution or believe something would work, she wouldn't be depressed.
> Not wanting to care for her baby is part of the depression. My
> suspicion is it's nature's way of protecting a helpless baby with a
> depressed mom -- mom doesn't want to see the baby so she hands it off
> to someone else to care for.
> And that brings us to breastfeeding vs. weaning. I was a volunteer
> breastfeeding support for four years and have a tiny bit of knowledge.
> When the baby is weaned, the mom's body is suddenly deprived of
> prolactin. Prolactin is the wonderful hormone that breastfeeding moms
> produce that gives so many of us that peaceful, calm warmth and calm.
> Obviously, a severely depressed mom is short on prolactin in the first
> place and a sudden weaning would add to the chemical assault on her
> brain.
> Anne is in a bad spot. She has no support system here and wouldn't
> have one back in England, either. It sounds like she comes from a
> religious background that is punitive and backwards. Depression,
> including postpartum depression, is a disease. I've watched my sister
> suffer (and nearly die) from depression for her entire adult life.
> She's never had children because she feared passing on that gene. When
> she's in the depths (and this goes for all depressives), there is no
> good answer to anything. She refuses all treatment because she
> believes it would make her worse rather than better. That attitude is
> part of the disease.
> Please don't be judgmental or close your hearts to Anne's plight. You
> may not be able to relate to where she is. That doesn't mean she can
> simply put down her disease and join you and me in the happy world of
> sunshine and cheerful babies. If you have it in you to pray for Anne,
> then I believe she needs that very much. If you have the ability to
> send her a word or hope, she needs that too. Mostly all we can do for
> Anne is to listen to her and offer gentle words of love and hope. It's
> a bit of a bandaid on a broken bone, but still it's better than
> nothing. And it's far better than criticizing her. Pray that you never
> fall into the depths where Anne lives now.
> Sunny