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Posted by Roberta on October 6, 2009, 10:56 am
Nothing wrong at all -it's essentially the same knot!Doing it around
the needle gives some control over the number of thread twists, is
all.(And it looks impressive to people who don't sew :-) If your
knots are already neat and small, don't change!
Roberta in D
On Mon, 5 Oct 2009 12:29:14 -0500, "Edna Pearl"
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>The knot I have always used for mending and embroidery seemed to work fine
>on my first quilting project. I just wind the thread around my right
>forefinger twice, roll it off my finger with my right thumb, and run my
>finger down the thread to tighten it. The only difference is that with
>quilting, I leave a longer tail than I would with sewing or embroidery --
>about a half inch.
>It seems to take fewer movements than wrapping the needle and makes what
>appears to be an indentically neat little knot. It pulls through fabric
>like muslin just fine -- the trick is not pulling it too hard, as it is with
>the traditional quilter's knot. I find it very easy because I've done it
>approximately fifty six gazillion times for forty-odd years (rough estimate
>:-) , but I've seen people struggle to learn it.
>Is there something wrong with doing it this way? (Even if there is, it will
>doubtless be a while before I stop -- old habits and all that :-)
>ep
>> Since hand quilting uses only 1 thread, you don't really want the end
>> of that thread right where the stitching begins. Burying a knot and a
>> tail in the batting allows it some flexibility so the stitches won't
>> pull loose at the first strain.
>> For a neat small knot:
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVzDkAbziLw
>> or
>> http://heatherbailey.typepad.com/photos/my_favorite_knot/index.html
>> Roberta in D
>> On Sun, 4 Oct 2009 13:40:33 -0500, "Edna Pearl"
>>>> But the really best start and stop is to leave a length of thread,
>>>> then bury into the batting. I don't knot it, just 2-3 stitches in
>>>> place. Then you never have little thread ends working loose. Takes
>>>> extra time, but not that much!
>>>And it's easy, too (says this beginner for whom very little is easy :-)
>>>It's an easy way to get a very good result. I wait until I have several
>>>tails dangling (and getting in my way) before I take a break to needle
>>>them
>>>into the batting and trim them.
>>>But this is just for machine quilting, right? I read that this way of
>>>ending a line isn't secure enough for hand quilting, a knot with a short
>>>tail should be buried at the start, and the tail should be knotted and
>>>buried. That's been easy enough so far, but I imagine it will be tricky
>>>when I start hand quilting in the middle of a large quilt. I find it
>>>tricky
>>>to pull the knot through a layer or fabric to let it rest in the batting.
>>>On the edges, it's easy to needle into the batting from the edge.
>>>ep
>>>
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Posted by Sartorresartus on October 5, 2009, 1:35 pm
For the machine thingy. I have a needle buried into a nice turned
handle that is a joy to use in this way. They can often be bought at
a bobbin lace maker stall. Then they have a posh name, but at this
moment it's gone...
For hand quilting. Popping that ending knot (especially if it's a bit
big, as they can get sometimes) can be a bit hard, and pulling too
hard can break the thread or pull up all your beutifully tensioned
stitches.
Solution. Unthread your thread and put the needle in the fabric (like
a little stitch) just in front of the line of stitching, where the
thread is coming out, at right angles. Just go through the top
fabric. Now your knot will pop much easier.
Nel
(Gadget Queen)
(Still searching out the ultimate etui)
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> Since hand quilting uses only 1 thread, you don't really want the end
> of that thread right where the stitching begins. Burying a knot and a
> tail in the batting allows it some flexibility so the stitches won't
> pull loose at the first strain.
> For a neat small knot:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DZVzDkAbziLw
> orhttp://heatherbailey.typepad.com/photos/my_favorite_knot/index.html
> Roberta in D
> On Sun, 4 Oct 2009 13:40:33 -0500, "Edna Pearl"
> >> But the really best start and stop is to leave a length of thread,
> >> then bury into the batting. I don't knot it, just 2-3 stitches in
> >> place. Then you never have little thread ends working loose. Takes
> >> extra time, but not that much!
> >And it's easy, too (says this beginner for whom very little is easy =A0:=
-)
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> >It's an easy way to get a very good result. =A0I wait until I have sever=
al
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> >tails dangling (and getting in my way) before I take a break to needle t=
hem
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> >into the batting and trim them.
> >But this is just for machine quilting, right? =A0I read that this way of
> >ending a line isn't secure enough for hand quilting, a knot with a short
> >tail should be buried at the start, and the tail should be knotted and
> >buried. =A0That's been easy enough so far, but I imagine it will be tric=
ky
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> >when I start hand quilting in the middle of a large quilt. =A0I find it =
tricky
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> >to pull the knot through a layer or fabric to let it rest in the batting=
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> >On the edges, it's easy to needle into the batting from the edge.
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Posted by Taria on October 5, 2009, 4:12 pm
Thanks to all that responded with tips.
I appreciate all of you. I can probably use
all the tips!.
Taria
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>on my first quilting project. I just wind the thread around my right
>forefinger twice, roll it off my finger with my right thumb, and run my
>finger down the thread to tighten it. The only difference is that with
>quilting, I leave a longer tail than I would with sewing or embroidery --
>about a half inch.
>It seems to take fewer movements than wrapping the needle and makes what
>appears to be an indentically neat little knot. It pulls through fabric
>like muslin just fine -- the trick is not pulling it too hard, as it is with
>the traditional quilter's knot. I find it very easy because I've done it
>approximately fifty six gazillion times for forty-odd years (rough estimate
>:-) , but I've seen people struggle to learn it.
>Is there something wrong with doing it this way? (Even if there is, it will
>doubtless be a while before I stop -- old habits and all that :-)
>ep
>> Since hand quilting uses only 1 thread, you don't really want the end
>> of that thread right where the stitching begins. Burying a knot and a
>> tail in the batting allows it some flexibility so the stitches won't
>> pull loose at the first strain.
>> For a neat small knot:
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVzDkAbziLw
>> or
>> http://heatherbailey.typepad.com/photos/my_favorite_knot/index.html
>> Roberta in D
>> On Sun, 4 Oct 2009 13:40:33 -0500, "Edna Pearl"
>>>> But the really best start and stop is to leave a length of thread,
>>>> then bury into the batting. I don't knot it, just 2-3 stitches in
>>>> place. Then you never have little thread ends working loose. Takes
>>>> extra time, but not that much!
>>>And it's easy, too (says this beginner for whom very little is easy :-)
>>>It's an easy way to get a very good result. I wait until I have several
>>>tails dangling (and getting in my way) before I take a break to needle
>>>them
>>>into the batting and trim them.
>>>But this is just for machine quilting, right? I read that this way of
>>>ending a line isn't secure enough for hand quilting, a knot with a short
>>>tail should be buried at the start, and the tail should be knotted and
>>>buried. That's been easy enough so far, but I imagine it will be tricky
>>>when I start hand quilting in the middle of a large quilt. I find it
>>>tricky
>>>to pull the knot through a layer or fabric to let it rest in the batting.
>>>On the edges, it's easy to needle into the batting from the edge.
>>>ep
>>>