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Posted by Pat in Arkansas on February 28, 2008, 9:13 pm
Do we discourage ads?? I came in and the first 3 posts were all
ads.....................I don't like that. Saw another newsgroup
completely destroyed by advertising..........I know all the posters
meant well and etc............
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Posted by BEI Design on February 28, 2008, 9:20 pm
Pat in Arkansas wrote:
> Do we discourage ads?? I came in and the first 3 posts
> were all ads.....................I don't like that. Saw
> another newsgroup completely destroyed by
> advertising..........I know all the posters meant well
> and etc............
Blatant spam gets the spammer reported to its ISP (by me, at
least).
There is a FAQ Penney used to post periodically with the
netiquette for alt.sewing, but I haven't seen her here for
awhile. The spam to newsgroups is getting progressively
worse over time, google-groups and gmail are responsible for
most of it, but they do absolutely *nothing* about it.
Beverly
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Posted by Samantha Hill - take out TRASH on February 28, 2008, 10:49 pm
Pat in Arkansas wrote:
> Do we discourage ads?? I came in and the first 3 posts were all
> ads.....................I don't like that. Saw another newsgroup
> completely destroyed by advertising..........I know all the posters
> meant well and etc............
This is an unmoderated Usenet newsgroup, and there is no real way of
prohibiting anything.
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Posted by IMS on February 28, 2008, 11:49 pm
On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 19:49:19 -0800, Samantha Hill - take out TRASH to
>
>This is an unmoderated Usenet newsgroup, and there is no real way of
>prohibiting anything.
Usenet is also not an advertising medium. Google "Advertising on
Usenet" and you'll see very similar documents. Here is just one.
http://faqs.cs.uu.nl/na-dir/usenet/advertising/how-to/part1.html
While it is true you can't prevent someone from posting what they
shouldn't, good newsgroups are often self-moderating - members can
report violators and also respond negatively to advertisers.
Report Usenet violations through your ISP. For example:
http://www.timewarnercable.com/nynj/products/internet/internetsecurity/reporting.html
..."Usenet Complaints
...."If you are reporting an incident that you believe to be off-topic
to the Usenet group, please include the section of the group's
Charter, showing that the post is off-topic."
If you are reading the groups via Google you can also report abuse
through Google Groups:
http://groups.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=46453&topic=9246
-Irene
PS: here's a copy of the FAQ Penny used to send out:
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Welcome Sewists and new posters! Here are some guidelines to posting
to the
sewing newsgroups. In case you are wondering where you are and how
you got
here, you are in a newsgroup, AKA "usenet" which is a part of the
internet
that has been around much much longer than the www, which it is not a
part
of. These groups are not moderated.
This information is protocol and etiquette that has been in use for
over
*20*
years on Usenet (newsgroups are Usenet) I have edited this from these
sites: http://metalab.unc.edu/usenet-i/usenet-help.html
http://www.aptalaska.net/~kmorgan/nnqlinks.html
Also, link to the news.newusers.questions web site,
http://www.geocities.com/nnqweb/nnqlinks.html ,
If you are seeking information on a common topic, try doing search at
http://www.google.com/advanced_group_search?hl=en Then, if you
don't find
your
subject, post a basic question to the group.
Be precise in your requests for information. If you are seeking help
on a
technique, or are having a problem, the more information you give, the
more
someone will be likely to be able to help you with your request. Put
some
thought into your header: "problem" or "I need help" are much more
likely
to be ignored than a specific header such as " help: facing has
wrinkles"
or "where can I find fine linen".
There is a "what machine should I buy" FAQ.
www.cet.com/~pennys/faq/smfaq.htm
NO Advertising. NONE. No commercial ads, no auction notices, no ebay
announcements, no "for sale" private party ads, no links to a
commercial
site; nothing. There are
marketplace groups for ads.(rec.crafts.textiles.marketplace) Ever been
to a
Usenet group that has more ads than posts? This also includes one
line
posts announcing commercial sites. And yes, this is a grey area, but
in
past discussions the overwhelming majority are in agreement that all
ads
need to go to the marketplace. If you would like to know more about
advertising onUsenet, here's a link link to it: Advertising on
Usenet: How
To Do It, How Not To Do It
<http://www.faqs.org/faqs/usenet/advertising/how-to/part1/>
Please don't argue with us about it should be OK for **you** to do it.
Edit your replies. If you are replying to a post that is rather
lengthy,
use your editing functions to pare the message down. If you reply
without
leaving a portion of the request in, and the header isn't clear, many
people
will not know what you are posting about. If the subject changes in
the
course of a reply, change your header so that people will know what
your
post is about.
The sewing newsgroups are pretty chatty. Keep in mind that not
everyone may
be interested in the non-sewing chatter about kids, cooking, pets,
parenting, religion, whatever. It's polite to put an OT for OFF TOPIC
in
the header, either if
the thread has "derailed" to not be about sewing anymore, or if it's
obviously not sewing related.
Please do not top post: this is putting your anwwer above the comment
you
are replying to. It's hard to track the conversation when you do this.
This is a public forum, and an international one. There may be
hundreds of
people reading your posts. Many people have to pay for their
download/online
time by the minute which is the main reason for keeping headers
concise and
posts succinct. Also, don't assume that everyone is in the USA; they
are
not!!
No photos. This is not a binary group. Please post photos to the web
and put
up a link. NO HTML either, this is a text only forum.
Signature files: No more than 4 lines please. ( bandwidth again) If
someone is a participant in the group, it is considered acceptable to
list
business information in the signature file.
No "me-too ism": it's a waste of bandwidth. So is, "I know I saw
something
somewhere...."
Remember this is a public, unmoderated forum that reflects
each of us as individuals. If someone's posts really drive you nuts on
a
regular basis, you can make them "go away" using a killfile. This is
an
option in most newsreader software that will block any posts by a
specified
sender. For the how on killfiles see:
Killfile and Anti Troll FAQs at
http://www.hyphenologist.co.uk/killfile.
Spam is any form of unwanted posts or email, usually commercial and
unsolicited.
Please don't ask for an email only reply. DL put it very well:
"I don't normally send an email copy unless it's specifically
requested, and
I usually won't respond at all to someone who says, "I don't normally
read
this group, so please send me an email copy," but I don't mind at all
sending a copy to someone who says, "I read this group regularly, but
a lot
of posts never make it to my server."
The difference is that the first person is basically saying, "I'm too
busy
and too important to be bothered with checking in the newsgroup for
answers.
I don't value your time in composing a response, and maybe spending
some
time doing research to answer the question, but _my_ time is too
valuable to
waste coming back here to read it. I also don't care if anyone else
is able
to benefit from the responses--just send me the email."
Many many people have contributed to this over the years. Thanks to
all for
links, editorial comments and input.
---
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Posted by Samantha Hill - take out TRASH on February 29, 2008, 5:26 am
IMS wrote:
> On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 19:49:19 -0800, Samantha Hill - take out TRASH to
>> This is an unmoderated Usenet newsgroup, and there is no real way of
>> prohibiting anything.
>
> Usenet is also not an advertising medium. Google "Advertising on
> Usenet" and you'll see very similar documents. Here is just one.
Very true -- HOWEVER, the original question was, "do we discourage ads?"
and the correct answer to that question is that there is no effective
way to do that.
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