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ISO patterns for children's garments Victorian era Thank you SandeeK 06-29-2007
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Posted by WZ on July 2, 2007, 9:10 pm
gjones2938@yahoo.com wrote:
It might be fun
> for a day at a Ren Faire, but everyday? Forget it!!


Well, I've performed at RenFaires for more than 25 years, so I often DO
dress like that every day (2-3 days a week for 7-9 weeks in a row).
You've hit on one of my pet peeves - "a corset is a corset, and they are
uncomfy and they hurt". NO WAY!

Corsets worn during the Tudor and Elizabethan periods are NOT
hourglass-shaped like Victorian ones. They are more cone-shaped,
compressing the bosom. Even the extremely fashionable ones worn by
noble ladies were straight up the front, and had a stiffener up the
front. Queen Elizabeth was skinny as a rail and flat as a board, and
EVERYONE wanted to look like her. In-period, a large bosom was seen as
maternal, not attractive or sexy.

People who had to actually work for a living wore what we would call
'corsets' (pairs of bodies) stiffened with broomstraws or even rope.
More like a snug-fitting vest than a "Merry Widow". Bodies "boned" with
hemp cord are surprisingly comfortable and give a gentle rounded shape
to the bosom. Many working-class women wore a combination of a kirtle
or underdress that suppressed the bosom and an open-fronted gown that
laced up the front with a single spiral-lace. This provides quite a bit
of support and is very comfortable - and I'm a 36DD! I dress like a
Breugel painting (leaving off the over-partlet because I'm an improper
tavern musician) and I can move furniture and swordfight with no trouble.

I do have two "noblewoman's" corsets that go with my court-style gowns.
They are more restrictive than the workingwoman's outfits, but by no
means uncomfortable or painful. If it hurts, it doesn't fit you
properly! True, there are things I can't do in those gowns (like tie my
own shoes!) but there are things you can't do in a miniskirt or
strapless ball gown either. You learn to adjust.

I have made bodices for quite a few larger women, and they often say
that they are more comfortable than a modern bra. No poky underwires,
chafing, sags, pinched shoulders, or anything else. Your boobs stay
where they are, don't move, and you have back support.

Wendy Z
Chicago, IL
www.merrymeasure.com

Posted by CypSew on July 2, 2007, 10:05 pm
A great-niece has a 3YO DD who is in love with antique garments. There is a
website on E-Bay advertising them and she begs her Mom to buy some for her
everytime they look online. She turns 4 in September and her DM wants to
find some free or low-price patterns to make some for her. I saw one site
yesterday on this group, with a similar dress she likes, but must have
deleted it before she sent her request. I told DGN to check Sew Beautiful
magazine at the library. Any help will be greatly appreciated. BTW, Daddy
is in Iraq.
Emily



Posted by Kate XXXXXX on July 3, 2007, 2:38 am
WZ wrote:
> gjones2938@yahoo.com wrote:
> It might be fun
>> for a day at a Ren Faire, but everyday? Forget it!!
>
>
> Well, I've performed at RenFaires for more than 25 years, so I often DO
> dress like that every day (2-3 days a week for 7-9 weeks in a row).
> You've hit on one of my pet peeves - "a corset is a corset, and they are
> uncomfy and they hurt". NO WAY!
>
> Corsets worn during the Tudor and Elizabethan periods are NOT
> hourglass-shaped like Victorian ones. They are more cone-shaped,
> compressing the bosom. Even the extremely fashionable ones worn by
> noble ladies were straight up the front, and had a stiffener up the
> front. Queen Elizabeth was skinny as a rail and flat as a board, and
> EVERYONE wanted to look like her. In-period, a large bosom was seen as
> maternal, not attractive or sexy.
>
> People who had to actually work for a living wore what we would call
> 'corsets' (pairs of bodies) stiffened with broomstraws or even rope.
> More like a snug-fitting vest than a "Merry Widow". Bodies "boned" with
> hemp cord are surprisingly comfortable and give a gentle rounded shape
> to the bosom. Many working-class women wore a combination of a kirtle
> or underdress that suppressed the bosom and an open-fronted gown that
> laced up the front with a single spiral-lace. This provides quite a bit
> of support and is very comfortable - and I'm a 36DD! I dress like a
> Breugel painting (leaving off the over-partlet because I'm an improper
> tavern musician) and I can move furniture and swordfight with no trouble.
>
> I do have two "noblewoman's" corsets that go with my court-style gowns.
> They are more restrictive than the workingwoman's outfits, but by no
> means uncomfortable or painful. If it hurts, it doesn't fit you
> properly! True, there are things I can't do in those gowns (like tie my
> own shoes!) but there are things you can't do in a miniskirt or
> strapless ball gown either. You learn to adjust.
>
> I have made bodices for quite a few larger women, and they often say
> that they are more comfortable than a modern bra. No poky underwires,
> chafing, sags, pinched shoulders, or anything else. Your boobs stay
> where they are, don't move, and you have back support.
>
> Wendy Z
> Chicago, IL
> www.merrymeasure.com


Hi there Wendy! How's it going?

I have to agree about the corsets. The black velvet Wench Bodice on my
web site is based on a pattern drafted from the Effigy Corset that
Elizabeth wore, and I can do all sorts in it, from climbing ladders and
dancing a jig to touching my toes (mind you, I have short legs and the
corset doesn't have tabs over the hips! ;)). Very comfy for this 32DD
figure.

Even a Victorian corset will gently mould the figure and support the
bust rather than squishing you into a fainting fit if properly made and
fitted.

The only time I tried a more modern elasticated 'corset' (this sort of
thing: http://preview.tinyurl.com/2n9nhw and one of these:
http://tinyurl.com/2nw98w) they were so uncomfortable they were
instruments of torture!







--
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Lady Catherine, Wardrobe Mistress of the Chocolate Buttons
http://www.katedicey.co.uk
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Posted by WZ on July 3, 2007, 5:40 pm
Kate XXXXXX wrote:

> Hi there Wendy! How's it going?

You should have known I'd pop in here!

Things pretty slow - working the day-job and rehearsing a lot. Bookings
for the new band are going pretty well. Looks like I have one weekend
free between mid-August and mid-October, PLUS the weekday job, so I'm
trying to cram a summer's worth of goofing off into a month :) That and
playing with my house-bunny is enough activity for me!

Need to get off my butt and do some sewing soon - I scored some lovely
linen at a warehouse sale a while back and need a couple of new chemises
and I plan some kirtles and overgowns, based on both the Tudor Tailor
references and some of Drea Leed's Flemish workingwomens work. I've put
on some weight between the lack of activity enforced by my worsening
asthma and the steroids used to treat it, so I need some new outfits.
Yep - that's my story and I'm sticking to it....(though I have a new
inhaled med and I have dropped 4 lbs in a month without even trying).

Wendy Z
Sig-less in Chicago
(replaced my computer 2 wks ago)

Posted by Joy Beeson on July 4, 2007, 12:29 am
On Tue, 03 Jul 2007 07:38:47 +0100, Kate XXXXXX

> The only time I tried a more modern elasticated 'corset' (this sort of
> thing: http://preview.tinyurl.com/2n9nhw and one of these:
> http://tinyurl.com/2nw98w) they were so uncomfortable they were
> instruments of torture!

That goes with my experience with waistbands: a support is *much*
more comfortable if it doesn't stretch -- because elastic "supports"
have to be very, very tight if they are going to hold up any weight at
all.

Not to mention that in RTW, stretch is always used as an excuse to
avoid the trouble of making something reasonably near the right size
and shape.

Joy Beeson
--
joy beeson at comcast dot net
http://roughsewing.home.comcast.net/ -- sewing
http://n3f.home.comcast.net/ -- Writers' Exchange
The above message is a Usenet post.
I don't recall having given anyone permission to use it on a Web site.



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