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Posted by Kate XXXXXX on July 4, 2007, 3:06 am
Joy Beeson wrote:
> On Tue, 03 Jul 2007 07:38:47 +0100, Kate XXXXXX
>
>> The only time I tried a more modern elasticated 'corset' (this sort of
>> thing: http://preview.tinyurl.com/2n9nhw and one of these:
>> http://tinyurl.com/2nw98w) they were so uncomfortable they were
>> instruments of torture!
>
> That goes with my experience with waistbands: a support is *much*
> more comfortable if it doesn't stretch -- because elastic "supports"
> have to be very, very tight if they are going to hold up any weight at
> all.
>
> Not to mention that in RTW, stretch is always used as an excuse to
> avoid the trouble of making something reasonably near the right size
> and shape.
>
> Joy Beeson
Now I do like my soft knit stuff to have elastic waistbands. I end up
climbing ladders, crawling on the floor, bent double in a heap and
otherwise contorting myself so often that a bit of give at the front of
the waist is a must! That and my waist STILL goes up and down a fair
amount every month (though not the five to seven inches of yore!), and
if I did fixed waistbands, half my wardrobe would be unwearable for much
of the time - either too big or too small!
To hold up an ankle length circular cotton skirt (think patchwork weight
cotton), I use 1.5" wide firm elastic in a separate casing. It doesn't
need to be tight. But I do need to hack a few more inches out of the
elastic in the one I wore yesterday as it's starting to droop again...
No, the elastic isn't shot: my waist has gone down since last summer!
--
Kate XXXXXX R.C.T.Q Madame Chef des Trolls
Lady Catherine, Wardrobe Mistress of the Chocolate Buttons
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Posted by Joy Beeson on July 4, 2007, 10:44 pm
On Wed, 04 Jul 2007 08:06:41 +0100, Kate XXXXXX
> That and my waist STILL goes up and down a fair
> amount every month (though not the five to seven inches of yore!), and
> if I did fixed waistbands, half my wardrobe would be unwearable for much
> of the time - either too big or too small!
[Grump; hit wrong key, re-typing from memory.]
I close my waistbands with four hooks and twenty eyes, two hooks and
ten eyes at each side seam. The hooks are in tandem, not
side-by-side, so each hook gets a set of five eyes that are spaced
half an inch apart. This makes five inches of adjustment. I
frequently change them as much two inches while I am wearing them.
(Well, *that* much only at a pitch-in picnic :-)
I do use elastic to hold up light garments that won't have anything
significant in their pockets -- I'm about to make three casings in my
new cycling knickers -- just in time, as I came back from my last ride
with a hole the size of a silver dollar in the seat of my pants.
Small-cord elastic is strong enough for many waistbands, but I've
decided to use only quarter-inch elastic from now on, as it seems to
wear through the casing more slowly. I've also found that stitching a
little way from the edge of the casing to make a narrow ruffle helps;
pushing the elastic back from the edge seems to make it wear on the
fabric less.
I was planning to deploy both these ideas on the three casings at
hand, but while typing the post that vanished <^save>, I realized that
the old, simple casings are in excellent condition despite having cord
elastic at the knees. Cord elastic is easier to install and blocks a
tad less sweat than quarter-inch elastic, so I'll make the new
knickers just like the old ones.
Except, of course, for the broadcloth-underlined saddle area!
I also added a pair of patch pockets to give me a place to hang my
Halt in case I ever wear the knickers without a jersey. A pair,
because I always install single pockets on the wrong side.
A short piece of stout tape would have done for a Halt hanger, but
pockets are about as easy, and I might want to put keys in the other
one, if there are no pockets at all in my shirt. I *do* have an RTW
shirt that hasn't been modified yet, and my T-shirt pockets are near
the front hem, which doesn't work on a road bike.
Joy Beeson
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Posted by Candide on July 3, 2007, 9:18 pm
> Dear Joanne,
>
> I wore merry widows in the '60s, and I can tell you that they didn't
> help my back. I decided to go with the "new look" of chemises and no
> waistline dresses, rather than truss myself up. Later, I had to
> dress for my profession, and opted for tailored pantsuits, rather than
> short skirts. Even though I taught fashion design I eschewed "the
> latest fad", and encouraged my students to design tastefull, well
> fitting clothes that didn't need elaborate underwear. It might be fun
> for a day at a Ren Faire, but everyday? Forget it!!
>
> Teri
Better a "merry widow" than a Playtex rubber girdle any day.
Candide
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Posted by Dr Shaft on July 4, 2007, 5:47 am
>
>
> > Dear Joanne,
>
> > I wore merry widows in the '60s, and I can tell you that they didn't
> > help my back. I decided to go with the "new look" of chemises and no
> > waistline dresses, rather than truss myself up. Later, I had to
> > dress for my profession, and opted for tailored pantsuits, rather than
> > short skirts. Even though I taught fashion design I eschewed "the
> > latest fad", and encouraged my students to design tastefull, well
> > fitting clothes that didn't need elaborate underwear. It might be fun
> > for a day at a Ren Faire, but everyday? Forget it!!
>
> > Teri
>
> Better a "merry widow" than a Playtex rubber girdle any day.
>
> Candide
Oh I don't know Candide I quite like rubber myself.
Dr Shaft
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Posted by Candide on July 3, 2007, 9:16 pm
> On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 08:21:08 +0100, Kate XXXXXX
>
> >SandeeK wrote:
> >> Appreciate any help or direction my apparently inadequate skills in
> >> net searching leads to photos and historical info, ebay wannabes;
> >> however, that is all non-productive for accurate patterns I can buy
to
> >> use to make the clothing.
> >> Thanks.
> >> Sandee1a whose email address is obviously correctable @yahoo
> >
> >
> >Start here! :) http://www.patternsoftime.com/products.asp?cat=9&pg=2
>
> Ye gods, there's a pattern there for a corset for a child 1-2 years
> old! There are times I'm so GLAD to live in this century!
>
> Sue
Actually the corsets for young girls (and in some cases boys), weren't
the whalebone "Mammy you just gotta make my waist 19 inches again"
sorts, but very soft affairs. The stiffening, if any was usually
padding, think of it as a training bra.
Such corsets were usually worn to get a young girl used to her lot in
life, and or provide some back support, as even young girls did heavy
work around the house. Only the most cruel of nannies, governesses, or
school headmistresses put young girls into stiff corsets (and tied them
in such away the child couldn't loosen the knots).
As for patterns, try Past Patterns. Have mint Victorian corset pattern
from them sitting in my stash for ages now, but haven't looked at what
sizes it covers.
Candide
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