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OT but curious about 'Web Portals' FarmI 03-28-2008
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Posted by BEI Design on March 30, 2008, 3:17 am


FarmI wrote:
> "BEI Design" wrote:
<snip>

> If I interprete you right, the only real objection is the
> spam risk?

I do not consider spam a top be a situation where "only real
objection" applies. Spam is a huge problem, it may very
well disable e-mail for all legitimate communication. When
ISPs have to contend with *millions* of spams, trying to
deliver desired e-mail to their real customers becomes
problematical. Spam may also overwhelm Usenet if it
continues to accelerates at recent rates. ISPs have only so
much equipment, buying additional facilities to deal with
spam just doesn't sound like a good business plan. I
suppose my take on the situation is colored by having read
news.admin.net-abuse.email for several years.

>
> I had thought of using google groups at some stage as a
> way out of my problems, but I just hate even checking the
> archives there when a post fails to appear on my server
> so I didn't want to go there at all.

Google archives are useful for researching prior messages,
or trying to find a "sort remembered" discussion.

> Could be the moon then or just a spam aversion??

I have a strong aversion to anyone who steals other's
resources/possessions/time. :-|

Beverly



Posted by enigma on March 30, 2008, 10:33 am

> FarmI wrote:
>> If I interprete you right, the only real objection is the
>> spam risk?
>
> I do not consider spam a top be a situation where "only real
> objection" applies. Spam is a huge problem, it may very
> well disable e-mail for all legitimate communication. When
> ISPs have to contend with *millions* of spams, trying to
> deliver desired e-mail to their real customers becomes
> problematical. Spam may also overwhelm Usenet if it
> continues to accelerates at recent rates. ISPs have only so
> much equipment, buying additional facilities to deal with
> spam just doesn't sound like a good business plan. I
> suppose my take on the situation is colored by having read
> news.admin.net-abuse.email for several years.

no kidding. i track my spam email & it's running a full 80% of
my incoming mail. there are days when i get 280+ emails and
only 2 or 3 are legitimate. last December my spam rate was
74%, so this is really a rather large increase in a short
time, a sad state of affairs.
the reason many ISPs no longer offer a news server is because
of the spam. even if they don't carry binary groups, usenet
takes up a lot of server space.
lee
--
Last night while sitting in my chair
I pinged a host that wasn't there
It wasn't there again today
The host resolved to NSA.

Posted by The Wanderer on March 30, 2008, 11:34 am
On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 14:33:49 +0000 (UTC), enigma wrote:

> no kidding. i track my spam email & it's running a full 80% of
> my incoming mail. there are days when i get 280+ emails and
> only 2 or 3 are legitimate. last December my spam rate was
> 74%, so this is really a rather large increase in a short
> time, a sad state of affairs.

I used to be in that situation (200-300 spam emails per day) until I
started using me@privacy.net for 3-4 years as my posting address. I always
included a valid 'readable by humans' address in my sig, so I could be
contacted if necessary.

You'll note I've recently acquired a gmx account which is live and which I
now use as a posting address. Thus far I haven't had any spam on that
addie. Makes me wonder if the spammers have to some extent stopped using
spambots to harvest email addies.

I've used MailWasher for some 5 years now, and it has the advantage that
you can get a text-only look at emails and action them before downloading
them to your pc. The prog has white and blacklists, and can also be linked
to spam databases, so mail is quickly identified as spam without ever
having the need to open it. The best bit though, once you've identified
email as spam, it can be deleted automatically by MW from your ISP's server
without ever having to download it to your pc.

As I also do some shopping on line, I can 'hold' legitimate emails on the
server until the goods arrive, then delete them without actually
downloading them also.

I probably get 10-30 spam emails per day, some days more than others. The
only mail I download to my pc is mail I actually want to have on the pc.

The company who market MW have one or two other progs that are worth a
look, B9 (Benign!), which can recognise and strip off possible harmful
attachments, and First Alert, which is their own spam database.

All that, coupled with Panda Internet Security (not quite as resource
hungry as Norton, although it does have a habit of updating itself which
hogs all resources right when you're in the middle of doing something!),
and I reckon my pc is pretty much secure from any outside interference. :-)

--
Richard - The older I get, the better I used to be!

the dot wanderer at tesco dot net


Posted by enigma on March 29, 2008, 7:51 am
.au:

> I'm sure there are any number of things I could do, but I
> still don't know what the problem is with using a 'web
> portal' to post.

it is much slower. most thread very poorly, if at all. you
cannot filter spam, or posters you don't want to see.
in the case of Google, they track what you view (to target
the ads, they say)
because portals are "free" they attract the sorts who like to
cause mischief that gets them kicked off a real ISP, such as
massive crossposting, posting binaries in non-binary groups,
spamming, trolling etc. because the portals don't police this
stuff, those of us who get tired of it easily just killfile
anything from that domain, so pretty soon the only people you
can 'talk' to are those on the same portal, or those who don't
know how to killfile.
personally i'm ><this close to killfiling anything posted
through googlegroups.
lee
--
Last night while sitting in my chair
I pinged a host that wasn't there
It wasn't there again today
The host resolved to NSA.

Posted by The Wanderer on March 29, 2008, 8:33 am
On Sat, 29 Mar 2008 11:51:21 +0000 (UTC), enigma wrote:


> personally i'm ><this close to killfiling anything posted
> through googlegroups.

I have in kfed GG in all my groups and it's worked wonders on the signal to
noise ratio! :-)

--
Richard - The older I get, the better I used to be!

the dot wanderer at tesco dot net


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