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OT but curious about 'Web Portals' FarmI 03-28-2008
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Posted by FarmI on March 30, 2008, 10:30 pm
> On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 09:13:12 +1100, FarmI wrote:
>
>> I don't think I can do a bulk plonk such as that, but then I find that
>> just
>> the occasional plonk of individuals seems to work for me.
>
> Ah, then the time has come to move on from OE as your news reader!

But the lack of bulk plonk has never worried me so I can't yet see the need
to move from the dreaded OE. It still works for me :-))

Yes, I
> know it works, yes I know it's much easier to carry on with something
> you're comfortable with, but......
>
> When you move to a purpose-built and fully functioned news reader you'll
> wonder why on earth you stuck with OE for so long. Honest!

Once again there is nothing about OE that gives me an attack of the irrits
(unlike the Microsoft word processing package which I got in the last lot of
software I bought - it's a total and major mongrel of a thing and I want to
go back about 2 releases ago).

For years I've read about all the other sorts of progs that people were
using and have never thought that I wanted what they had. It hasn't got
anything to do with being comfortable, just that OE does what I want it to
as my mail needs are quite simple and it meets those needs.

I get no incoming spam in my mail since I moved ISPs and learned how to mung
my addy for ng use, I can do a kill of the really irritating trollers in ngs
and have never wanted to do a bulk plonk. I can put my mail in various
folders and that is all I've needed to do with a mail prog. I don't think I
could be described as a power user in any way shape or form.

I moved away
> from OE to 40tude Dialog in 2003. How can I be precise? I keep all emails
> in a special folder that have passwords, etc associated with them. :-)
>
> Dialog has more features than you shake a stick at, including the ability
> to semi-automate it using scripts. Personally I've not found it necessary,
> but its filtering abilities are superb.
>
> There are quite a few other news readers out there. Most of them are
> freeware or shareware. They all have their champions, people who will tell
> you why the one they use is better than any other. You have the discomfort
> of having to learn how to drive it properly, but once you get over that
> particular hurdle you begin to appreciate why so many long-term posters
> criticise OE as a news reader.

I'm one of those strange people who likes learning how to use new software.
I find it a challenge as I'm not a natural computer user. Everything with
these machines has come hard won for me so I see it as 'character building'
(and Lord knows my character can always do with that).

> FWIW, I also moved away from OE as an email client, in favour of T'bird,
> that was after I had been using Dialog for a while. I also ditched IE in
> favour of Firefox, although I do keep IE on my pc as some sites still
> don't
> like FF, but those are few and far between these days, even M$ seems to
> accept FF on its pages.

Now ditching IE is something I would consider.
>
> I tried setting up news accounts in T'bird in parallel with Dialog, but I
> wasn't overly impressed with it as a news reader. Conversely, Dialog can
> be
> used as an email client, but I like to keep the two functions completely
> separate.
>
> And finally..... :-)
>
> With a new laptop coming next week for my wife, I've decided to go with as
> much open source software as possible on that.

Now that is something I would be very interested in. My husband is heavily
into old cars and every shed on the farm is full of old vehicles. When he
wanted to buy the most recent one, I negotiated fro me to get a laptop for
my genealogical work. I've yet to get it because I am having second
thougths about the software I need for it.



Posted by The Wanderer on March 31, 2008, 4:26 am
On Mon, 31 Mar 2008 13:30:41 +1100, FarmI wrote:

>> On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 09:13:12 +1100, FarmI wrote:
>>
>>> I don't think I can do a bulk plonk such as that, but then I find that
>>> just
>>> the occasional plonk of individuals seems to work for me.
>>
>> Ah, then the time has come to move on from OE as your news reader!
>
> But the lack of bulk plonk has never worried me so I can't yet see the need
> to move from the dreaded OE. It still works for me :-))

Yes, that's exactly how I used to think, until one day I was musing over
the comments from others about OE being 'broken' - I don't actually
subscribe to that view, but I do think it ain't very well endowed with
features - and decided more or less on a whim to try something else. Best
thing I ever did, but I didn't know that until I actually tried another
news reader.

<snip>

> Now that is something I would be very interested in. My husband is heavily
> into old cars and every shed on the farm is full of old vehicles. When he
> wanted to buy the most recent one, I negotiated fro me to get a laptop for
> my genealogical work. I've yet to get it because I am having second
> thougths about the software I need for it.

Thought I'd try OpenOffice, which claims to do most of what M$ Office does,
but at no cost. FF and F'Bird are already open source.

--
Richard - The older I get, the better I used to be!

the dot wanderer at tesco dot net


Posted by enigma on March 31, 2008, 7:18 am
.au:

> When he wanted to buy the most
> recent one, I negotiated fro me to get a laptop for my
> genealogical work. I've yet to get it because I am having
> second thougths about the software I need for it.

my dad uses something called Legacy for his genealogical
research. i only have a crippled version so i can't tell you
too much about it, except that it does allow you to add photos
& has space for lots of notes.
lee
--
Last night while sitting in my chair
I pinged a host that wasn't there
It wasn't there again today
The host resolved to NSA.

Posted by enigma on March 30, 2008, 10:45 am
.au:

> LOL. Are you saying that Jon Ball didn't use a 'real ISP'?
> When it comes to trolls, he must have been a blue ribbon,
> serial and non stop troller. I think I only ever saw about
> 2 non troll posts from him in the time that he posted to
> any of the groups I saw him in and given that he posted non
> stop for about 14 hours a day, that is some record.
> Interestingly,he has now popped up in a gardening groups
> you and I both read and has made at least 2 non troll
> posts. Perhaps he has finally had some counselling about
> his problems with being so short.

he used several ISPs actually. he kept getting booted, until
he found one that didn't enforce a TOS (there are quite a few
of those now, unfortunately).
he's posting in wreak.gardens? i have him in the killfile,
but i don't remember if it's the permanent one or the up to
100 days one...
you think Jon is worse than Sheldon? hmmm. well, there's a
troll on alt.mothers that calls my kid a retard because of the
autism. he's a piece of work too... ;)

>> personally i'm ><this close to killfiling anything posted
>> through googlegroups.
>
> I don't think I can do a bulk plonk such as that, but then
> I find that just the occasional plonk of individuals seems
> to work for me.

it depends on if you read on the portal or through a
newsreader. i think it's freeusenet.org that has directions to
kill googlegroups in various newsreaders.
i find googlegroups lacks a lot of the search functionality
that Deja had in looking for posts, plus they do not have most
of the old Deja archives available. i can't go look at things
written in 93 anymore, unfortunately...
lee
--
Last night while sitting in my chair
I pinged a host that wasn't there
It wasn't there again today
The host resolved to NSA.

Posted by FarmI on March 30, 2008, 10:46 pm

>
>> LOL. Are you saying that Jon Ball didn't use a 'real ISP'?
>> When it comes to trolls, he must have been a blue ribbon,
>> serial and non stop troller. I think I only ever saw about
>> 2 non troll posts from him in the time that he posted to
>> any of the groups I saw him in and given that he posted non
>> stop for about 14 hours a day, that is some record.
>> Interestingly,he has now popped up in a gardening groups
>> you and I both read and has made at least 2 non troll
>> posts. Perhaps he has finally had some counselling about
>> his problems with being so short.
>
> he used several ISPs actually. he kept getting booted, until
> he found one that didn't enforce a TOS (there are quite a few
> of those now, unfortunately).
> he's posting in wreak.gardens?

Yes. He posted in the 'compost pile advice' thread. I too have him plonked
and noticed that his

i have him in the killfile,
> but i don't remember if it's the permanent one or the up to
> 100 days one...
> you think Jon is worse than Sheldon? hmmm.

Sheldon IS a pillock but I've never thought he was particularly bright or
particularly interesting. Jon has a brain but there was always something
(probably being short) which drove his trolling. I've alwys found that
interesting because I thought he should have been able to resolve that for
himself with his level of intellect.

well, there's a
> troll on alt.mothers that calls my kid a retard because of the
> autism. he's a piece of work too... ;)

An ignorant piece of work by the sound of it.
>
>>> personally i'm ><this close to killfiling anything posted
>>> through googlegroups.
>>
>> I don't think I can do a bulk plonk such as that, but then
>> I find that just the occasional plonk of individuals seems
>> to work for me.
>
> it depends on if you read on the portal or through a
> newsreader. i think it's freeusenet.org that has directions to
> kill googlegroups in various newsreaders.
> i find googlegroups lacks a lot of the search functionality
> that Deja had in looking for posts, plus they do not have most
> of the old Deja archives available. i can't go look at things
> written in 93 anymore, unfortunately...

Yeah. Deja was far better.



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