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Pfaff Variamatic 1117 Sewing machine help - I need a manual HSAJW 05-18-2006
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Posted by Ron Anderson on May 20, 2006, 8:28 am
First I am the one who eluded to it as "rubbish" and you in attempting to
prove your point proved ours. I guess you did not read your first post
stating that Elna had owned them at some point. Pure and utter rubbish.


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Ron Anderson
A1 Sewing Machine
PO Box 60
Sand Lake, NY 12153
518-469-5133
http://www.a1sewingmachine.com
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> <Hannas Mum> wrote in message
>> On Fri, 19 May 2006 20:28:15 GMT, "Ron Anderson"
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>> >Where did you get that rubbish?
>> Yea, weird isn't it. Bet she also believes the one about pointing the
>> machine North so it will sew properly......
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> No I do not, and keep your snide remarks to yourself. If you wish to
> dispute the accuracy of my statement, that is another matter....
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> .Viking dealer told me that
>> one in Victoria BC about 2 years ago. Could write a book on the
>> garbage that has been said about Pfaff.
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> Since one does not work for Pfaff nor are privy to the details of the
> company sale, one relies upon details as related.
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> The following comes from Pfaff's own website:
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> "In and outIn 1988 the lawyer, Dr. Schuppli, a member of the PFAFF
> family, acquired 52% of the share capital of the G.M. Pfaff AG, and in
> 1993 it was possible to introduce the new conception for a new concern
> structure through the takeover of 72% of the share capital by Semi-Tech
> (Global) Co. Ltd. In 1996 Pfaff reorganised the marketing department
> with an area concept. Since then, following the motto, proximity breeds
> acceptance, regional sales organisations have been supporting the
> structures of the agents, who work independently to a great extent.
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> In 1997 the SINGER/PFAFF-concern was created through the takeover of
> 80.5 % of the shares by the Semitech subsidiary, Singer. A restructuring
> programme was started, which involved the outsourcing of high-wage and
> technically less demanding process sections and products to
> Podolsk/Russia and Zhuhai/China. Highly specialised and high-tech
> industrial sewing machines, as well as essential, particularly
> sophisticated components were still manufactured and assembled with the
> know-how of the staff at the location in Germany. In 1999 the concern
> got into a threatening management situation which led to the separation
> of PFAFF and Singer.
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> Consequently PFAFF concentrated on its core competence again - the
> production and distribution of industrial sewing and welding machine
> technology. In 1999 the domestic sewing machine division in Karlsruhe
> was sold to the Swedish group, Husqvarna Viking."
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http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:Y8LTIw-u2loJ:www.pfaff-industrial.de/pfaff/de/company/history/index_html/switchLanguage%3Fset_language%3Den+Pfaff+Sewing+Sold&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=8
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> So take great care madam, before eluding to my posts as "garbage".
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> Candide
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> the one that persists is that
>> Singer OWNED Pfaff in the late 90's. Nothing could be farther from
>> the truth. However, now they ARE managed by Singer guys. Good
>> people too. Very helpful and willing to do some work to get us parts,
>> at least here in Canada they are trying to help.
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>> VSM (Viking Sewing Machines) did trash a bunch of parts, machines and
>> things in Toronto and when they closed the plants in German in 2000.
>> But ELNA???????? that's a new one. WE got lots of 'stuff' from
>> dumpster's and nothing went to collectors or dealers. Dealers really
>> suffered during this time. I see lots of the dumpster divers on eBay.
>> Singer seems to be doing a good job now and we have had no
>> interruption in service so far, but the old VSM is a really grumpy
>> bunch now. Singer managers and tech's in a VSM office.....VSM guys
>> don't like it much, but they are old friends of the one remaining
>> Pfaff employee from the old days. .
>>
>> Old Pfaff Pforum is a good place to ask for a manual.
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Posted by Hannas Mum on May 20, 2006, 9:00 am
On Sat, 20 May 2006 12:28:10 GMT, "Ron Anderson"

>First I am the one who eluded to it as "rubbish" and you in attempting to
>prove your point proved ours. I guess you did not read your first post
>stating that Elna had owned them at some point. Pure and utter rubbish.
Watch it or you will be threatened too.
She did not get into the latest news either.

So far I am pleased with what Singer has done for us at Pfaff. They
seem to be more approachable than VSM ever was. Not as stiff either.
I don't get the automatic, it isn't made anymore, but do get "we'll
see if we can find it. I wonder if Singer Canada did some dumpster
diving in Toronto and salvaged the Pfaff stuff before the buckets were
picked up. They were in the warehouse office in Toronto long after
Pfaff was gone to VSM, so that is possible. Just received some feet
that were not in those stupid plastic boxes that no one wants. That
is an old Pfaff thing.
I just hope that they keep us for a while. Having to get used to
new owners every couple of years is a pain........

SO did we find a manual for this lady. The only ones I have are the
French ones that always came with out machines......I have given
several of those away though, and only have a few left now.

Posted by Karen Maslowski on May 20, 2006, 10:02 am
This has been an interesting thread to read, huffy posts
notwithstanding. ;) I had no idea of how extensive this recent
reorganization was, so this is good information.

I've always been a Singer fan--sometimes the only one in the room--and
I'm so glad to know that they're coming right along. Having the three
companies under one umbrella is probably not the ideal situation, but it
if means they all still continue to exist, then I'm all for it.

Karen Maslowski in Cincinnati
www.sewstorm.com


Hannas Mum wrote:
> On Sat, 20 May 2006 12:28:10 GMT, "Ron Anderson"
>
>> First I am the one who eluded to it as "rubbish" and you in attempting to
>> prove your point proved ours. I guess you did not read your first post
>> stating that Elna had owned them at some point. Pure and utter rubbish.
> Watch it or you will be threatened too.
> She did not get into the latest news either.
>
> So far I am pleased with what Singer has done for us at Pfaff. They
> seem to be more approachable than VSM ever was. Not as stiff either.
> I don't get the automatic, it isn't made anymore, but do get "we'll
> see if we can find it. I wonder if Singer Canada did some dumpster
> diving in Toronto and salvaged the Pfaff stuff before the buckets were
> picked up. They were in the warehouse office in Toronto long after
> Pfaff was gone to VSM, so that is possible. Just received some feet
> that were not in those stupid plastic boxes that no one wants. That
> is an old Pfaff thing.
> I just hope that they keep us for a while. Having to get used to
> new owners every couple of years is a pain........
>
> SO did we find a manual for this lady. The only ones I have are the
> French ones that always came with out machines......I have given
> several of those away though, and only have a few left now.

Posted by Hannas Mum on May 20, 2006, 10:45 am
On Sat, 20 May 2006 10:02:51 -0400, Karen Maslowski

>his has been an interesting thread to read, huffy posts
>notwithstanding. ;) I had no idea of how extensive this recent
>reorganization was, so this is good information.
>
>I've always been a Singer fan--sometimes the only one in the room--and
>I'm so glad to know that they're coming right along. Having the three
>companies under one umbrella is probably not the ideal situation, but it
>if means they all still continue to exist, then I'm all for it.
>
>Karen Maslowski in Cincinnati
>www.sewstorm.com


Good for you. What no one seems to remember is that Pfaff went to
another company, Viking Husqvarna and all of VSM did the same but
Singer kept on trucking. Making deals with other manufacturers and
countries, and finding a company to support and help them. Viking
went bust a few years ago and were bought out by a Eletrolux first
then a holding company. Singer just keeps going, no matter what the
trash talk about them is. I still believe they have a good, sturdy
decent line of machines and one of the best embroidery machines on the
market---now if they could only convince the old time dealers that
embroidery is here to stay and get them to learn these machines they
would be better off. I DO NOT sell Singers... Just Pfaff but when I
customer has a set of needs and a Pfaff does not meet them I refer
that customer to a friend who owns a Singer shop. He does the same
for me. .
No matter what is thrown at Singer they seem to survive and still sell
machines all without the snobbery and hype.

So Sorry if I sounded Huffy, it was not the intent


Did you know that according to a Bernina Dealer in Ohio, the walking
foot was put on the upper lines of Pfaff machines, because it is
incapable of doing a decent straight stitch.

Posted by Melinda Meahan - take out TRAS on May 20, 2006, 4:22 pm
Hannas Mum wrote:
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> then a holding company. Singer just keeps going, no matter what the
> trash talk about them is. I still believe they have a good, sturdy
> decent line of machines and one of the best embroidery machines on the
> market---now if they could only convince the old time dealers that


And here I thought that their embroidery machines were either made by
Janome or Juki.....

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