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Posted by Pogonip on May 20, 2006, 4:25 pm
Melinda Meahan - take out TRASH to send wrote:
> Hannas Mum wrote:
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>> then a holding company. Singer just keeps going, no matter what the
>> trash talk about them is. I still believe they have a good, sturdy
>> decent line of machines and one of the best embroidery machines on the
>> market---now if they could only convince the old time dealers that
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> And here I thought that their embroidery machines were either made by
> Janome or Juki.....
By Juki, I think, under licensing from Singer since the similar Juki
machine does not include all the features of the Singer.
--
Joanne
stitches @ singerlady.reno.nv.us.earth
http://members.tripod.com/~bernardschopen/
http://stores.ebay.com/Sound-FuryRecords
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Posted by Hannas Mum on May 20, 2006, 6:09 pm
wrote:
>By Juki, I think, under licensing from Singer since the similar Juki
>machine does not include all the features of the Singer.
>--
>Joanne
>stitches @ singerlady.reno.nv.us.earth
>http://members.tripod.com/~bernardschopen/
>http://stores.ebay.com/Sound-FuryRecords
You are correct. Singer would pick a machine design and then add to
it want they want engineered in. Collaborations like this go on all
the time. Which is why you can see cross features in so many of the
TOL machines today. Juki does a very nice product for Singer.
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Posted by Melinda Meahan - take out TRAS on May 20, 2006, 9:43 pm
Hannas Mum wrote:
> Juki does a very nice product for Singer.
Yes, and that just means that it's not a Singer-built machine, which is
why so many of us have said that a Singer brand on a machine (or a
Kenmore these days, for that matter) does not in itself guarantee that
it's a well-built machine.
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Posted by Pogonip on May 20, 2006, 10:07 pm
Melinda Meahan - take out TRASH to send wrote:
> Hannas Mum wrote:
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>> Juki does a very nice product for Singer.
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> Yes, and that just means that it's not a Singer-built machine, which is
> why so many of us have said that a Singer brand on a machine (or a
> Kenmore these days, for that matter) does not in itself guarantee that
> it's a well-built machine.
The same can be said for a Ford, a Chevy, a Toyota, or a Saturn. If
there is a carburetor, it's most likely made by Aisin, and other parts
are made by other companies. Same with a computer. Or most anything
you name. Manufacturing has changed.
--
Joanne
stitches @ singerlady.reno.nv.us.earth.alternate-universe
http://members.tripod.com/~bernardschopen/
http://stores.ebay.com/Sound-FuryRecords
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Posted by Hannas Mum on May 20, 2006, 11:16 pm
wrote:
>The same can be said for a Ford, a Chevy, a Toyota, or a Saturn. If
>there is a carburetor, it's most likely made by Aisin, and other parts
>are made by other companies. Same with a computer. Or most anything
>you name. Manufacturing has changed.
>-
Asin Seiki is the largest producer of sergers in the world.....they
brand for everyone. Hosei is another --- they do the TOL Pfaff ones.
Pfaff picks and chooses from a list of standard options, just like a
car, and the serger is built.
Juki contracted with Singer to produce the embroidery machines from
the XL1000 to the current XL6000 and Singer offered to give them a
market outlet for some of the smaller sergers/ sewing machines that
Juki produce . It is a good combination rather like Janome and
Pfaff/VSM has had for years. Or Juki and Pfaff/VSM/and others have
now. Singer even supplied some Pfaff machines in the early 90's a
complete line of machines were all Singer made and before that in the
60's Singer made machines badged Pfaff and also did a complete Viking
line. . Then there are the clones----machines built in Japan and sold
by all the major companies as low end or 'introductory' models. A way
to build brand loyalty.
A machine company designs and engineers a product and has it
built......very much like my Mazda truck, which in fact is really a
Ford, or so all the parts say......
Manufacturing has changed, making brand loyalty hard. When you see a
Singer serger priced at $300.00 and the very same one badged Husqvarna
for $700 it is disconcerting.
Companies do what they do best now, and cheapest be it a whole
machine or specific parts, then they export to assembly plants all
over the world. As Asian labour is still cheap, parts are shipped
there for assembly and for several companies parts are cheaper made in
Asia but assembly pants are in Sweden, or Switzerland, Brazil, US, etc
so the parts are shipped there for assembly. Same as car plants,
appliances almost anything that is sold. . . Even quilts. Sears
contracts Amish women in Indiana to do the tops, then they are shipped
to China to be put together and quilted.....but they are still sold as
hand made in the US.
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