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Pfaff Variamatic 1117 Sewing machine help - I need a manual HSAJW 05-18-2006
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Posted by Melinda Meahan - take out TRAS on May 21, 2006, 1:39 am
Hannas Mum wrote:

> Singer even supplied some Pfaff machines in the early 90's a
> complete line of machines were all Singer made and before that in the
> 60's Singer made machines badged Pfaff and also did a complete Viking
> line.

Excuse me, but didn't Singer stop producting their own machines before
the 90s? And my understanding from the other sewing machine lists I am
on is that Singer never badged their machines to anybody else. If you
have proof to the contrary, I would be really interested in reading it
so I can wipe out what these other researchers/historians have told me.

Posted by Hannas Mum on May 21, 2006, 11:05 am
On Sat, 20 May 2006 22:39:28 -0700, Melinda Meahan - take out TRASH to

>Hannas Mum wrote:
>
>> Singer even supplied some Pfaff machines in the early 90's a
>> complete line of machines were all Singer made and before that in the
>> 60's Singer made machines badged Pfaff and also did a complete Viking
>> line.
>
>Excuse me, but didn't Singer stop producting their own machines before
>the 90s? And my understanding from the other sewing machine lists I am
>on is that Singer never badged their machines to anybody else. If you
>have proof to the contrary, I would be really interested in reading it
>so I can wipe out what these other researchers/historians have told me.
The complete 4000 line in the 90's was made by Singer for Pfaff.
Before that it was the Calandas. Fineses models were done in the
Romanian Singer plant. Sever models of Sergers were done by Singer,
most popular was the Pfaff 756, most hated was the 4762.

Posted by Melinda Meahan - take out TRAS on May 21, 2006, 1:37 am
Pogonip wrote:
>
> The same can be said for a Ford, a Chevy, a Toyota, or a Saturn. If
> there is a carburetor, it's most likely made by Aisin, and other parts
> are made by other companies. Same with a computer. Or most anything
> you name. Manufacturing has changed.

True, but I am just saying that it is no longer true that *any* machine
made by Singer these days is undoubtedly a good one. You can't trust
the low-end models, because they are made by the cheapest bidder.

Posted by Pogonip on May 21, 2006, 2:06 am
Melinda Meahan - take out TRASH to send wrote:
> Pogonip wrote:
>
>>
>> The same can be said for a Ford, a Chevy, a Toyota, or a Saturn. If
>> there is a carburetor, it's most likely made by Aisin, and other parts
>> are made by other companies. Same with a computer. Or most anything
>> you name. Manufacturing has changed.
>
>
> True, but I am just saying that it is no longer true that *any* machine
> made by Singer these days is undoubtedly a good one. You can't trust
> the low-end models, because they are made by the cheapest bidder.

No, just as you can't trust the low-end of any name-brand appliance's
products. Refrigerators, stoves, microwaves, washers, dryers, etc.,
often have different manufacturers for different models in their line.
Sometimes the low-end is well built with fewer features, sometimes it's
junk.

I have no recent sewing machines except my Singer xl6000 and my Pfaff
1475. No Touch & Sews or Stylists, either. I do have several FWs,
401s, 99s, 66s, a 115, a 15, a bunch of 301s, 306s....I wish there were
some way to transport some of these to people who come here asking about
inexpensive machines. The Pfaff 320, the Elna Supermatic would be great
for some of them. I need that scanner Kate and Jean have.
--
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Posted by Kate Dicey on May 21, 2006, 4:29 am
Pogonip wrote:

> Melinda Meahan - take out TRASH to send wrote:
>
>> Pogonip wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> The same can be said for a Ford, a Chevy, a Toyota, or a Saturn. If
>>> there is a carburetor, it's most likely made by Aisin, and other
>>> parts are made by other companies. Same with a computer. Or most
>>> anything you name. Manufacturing has changed.
>>
>>
>>
>> True, but I am just saying that it is no longer true that *any*
>> machine made by Singer these days is undoubtedly a good one. You
>> can't trust the low-end models, because they are made by the cheapest
>> bidder.
>
>
> No, just as you can't trust the low-end of any name-brand appliance's
> products. Refrigerators, stoves, microwaves, washers, dryers, etc.,
> often have different manufacturers for different models in their line.
> Sometimes the low-end is well built with fewer features, sometimes it's
> junk.

You really have to do your homework these days. Shop about and ask who
is doing the better little stuff this year. Last year when I bought the
Singer 117 Featherweight II for mum, it was the best in its class. This
year the same shop is stocking the Frister & Rossman Cub SP to fill that
gap as the newer 'improved' Singer 118 just isn't as good or as friendly
to use as either the 117 or the F&R.
>
> I have no recent sewing machines except my Singer xl6000 and my Pfaff
> 1475. No Touch & Sews or Stylists, either. I do have several FWs,
> 401s, 99s, 66s, a 115, a 15, a bunch of 301s, 306s....I wish there were
> some way to transport some of these to people who come here asking about
> inexpensive machines. The Pfaff 320, the Elna Supermatic would be great
> for some of them. I need that scanner Kate and Jean have.

I think the feds bust it... They've gone over to a hand-held gadget
like an iPod! ;)

Some folk keep buying the same brand because they know no different. My
parents fell into this trap with the machine they bought for my for my
21st birthday: they got a mid-range Singer, and it was crap. A real
Friday Afternoon Special, built at Kilbowie after they went over to
assembly only of parts bought in from wherever would do them cheapest.
That machine was a real disappointment to us all, and I've been very
wary of all manufacturers ever since. 4 years later I sold it and
bought the Frister & Rossman. I never looked back!

--
Kate XXXXXX R.C.T.Q Madame Chef des Trolls
Lady Catherine, Wardrobe Mistress of the Chocolate Buttons
http://www.katedicey.co.uk
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