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Pfaff Variamatic 1117 Sewing machine help - I need a manual HSAJW 05-18-2006
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Posted by Melinda Meahan - take out TRAS on May 21, 2006, 1:41 am
Hannas Mum wrote:

> Then the same can hold true for Pfaff, Bernina, Husqvarna, Baby Lock,
> Brother, Viking, and others for many of their models.

A Viking/Husqvarna machine that is called a Viking, a Bernina machine
that is called a Bernina, and a Pfaff -- they are all good machines.

> Kenmores have
> been done by Janome for some time now.

Only the mid-range machines. They don't do the low-end machines.


> There are NO Pfaff plants at least there are still Singer
> plants.

Still Singer plants? Where? (this question is asked in the pure
sincerity of one who always seeks the truth and who loves learning)


Posted by AK&DStrohl on May 21, 2006, 11:14 pm
>>Yes, and that just means that it's not a Singer-built machine, which is
>>why so many of us have said that a Singer brand on a machine (or a
>>Kenmore these days, for that matter) does not in itself guarantee that
>>it's a well-built machine.
> Then the same can hold true for Pfaff, Bernina, Husqvarna, Baby Lock,
> Brother, Viking, and others for many of their models. Kenmores have
> been done by Janome for some time now. White also did them way back
> before Electrolux purchased them under the HV label, when White was a
> brand to contend with. Pfaff does not build any of their machines
> anymore. There are NO Pfaff plants at least there are still Singer
> plants. They are assembled in the Czech Republic or Sweden does that
> then negate the Pfaff brand or lessen the quality. True that Singer
> has produced some dogs, but then so has many of the other brands, and
> as more brands are combined under new holding companies there will be
> even less difference. Pfaff is a close to non-existence as a company
> can get.

And on and on this goes.... I'm not even going to read the rest of this
thread.

But how does anyone know what a dependible, appropriately priced machine is
these days.

AK in PA




Posted by Hannas Mum on May 22, 2006, 2:14 am
wrote:

>But how does anyone know what a dependible, appropriately priced machine is
>these days.
You have to test them. Use your own fabrics and threads and make the
dealers let you use it. Research your product, do not buy on brand
name alone, it is not a guarantee of anything any more. Talk in
person to people who own them and find out what they like and what
they do not like. Make lists. I tell this to all my potential
customers. I do not want to sell them something they will not use.
As far as appropriately priced, I don't think any of them are but
people are paying the prices so they are selling at those prices. If
your new to sewing or new to the modern machines then do take the
lessons offered, and find a dealer you like and have confidence in.
With the new machines you will need a dealer who is educated in the
machines. Do not settle for less than complete satisfaction in your
purchase.

Posted by Melinda Meahan - take out TRAS on May 20, 2006, 9:43 pm
Pogonip wrote:
>> And here I thought that their embroidery machines were either made by
>> Janome or Juki.....
>
> By Juki, I think, under licensing from Singer since the similar Juki
> machine does not include all the features of the Singer.

Thank you for confirming that.

Posted by Hannas Mum on May 20, 2006, 6:07 pm
On Sat, 20 May 2006 13:22:21 -0700, Melinda Meahan - take out TRASH to

>Hannas Mum wrote:
>>
>> then a holding company. Singer just keeps going, no matter what the
>> trash talk about them is. I still believe they have a good, sturdy
>> decent line of machines and one of the best embroidery machines on the
>> market---now if they could only convince the old time dealers that
>
>
>And here I thought that their embroidery machines were either made by
>Janome or Juki.....
They are made by Juki...I have said that before and a darn fine
embroidery machines it is too.....Juki was instrumental in keeping
Singer afloat by producing such great machines for them.
Janome is the largest manufacturer of domestic (home) embroidery
machines in the world. They do machines for every brand you can name.
Good machines too and consistent sellers. Janome is subsidized by the
Japanese government which takes a bit of the pressure off them and
allows the company to really do some R & D.

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