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Posted by Jeanne Burton on July 18, 2005, 9:58 am
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>On Mon, 18 Jul 2005 14:26:46 +0200, "Claire Owen"
>> Ok so I have to ask Whats 4H? sorry if it's obvious
The best thing about 4-H, IMO, is that it is child/teen-driven. The
adults are advisors. They are NOT leaders. The kids do their own
projects, choose them, and ask for help when/if the need it. They
elect officers who run meetings. They are responsible for their own
work. It was a wonderful experience for me, in that I was very
involved in Junior Leadership as a teen. I traveled the US, staying
with other 4-H'ers, staying on college campuses, in Washington DC, etc
as a teen, and met congressmen, the Vice President, and other
dignitaries.
4-H did start out as agricultural, but they encompass anything you can
imagine now...as my favorite t-shirt says "4-H ain't all cows and
cookin'"
Jeanne
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Posted by Melinda Meahan - take out TRAS on July 19, 2005, 2:44 pm
Jeanne Burton wrote:
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> The best thing about 4-H, IMO, is that it is child/teen-driven. The
> adults are advisors. They are NOT leaders. The kids do their own
> projects, choose them, and ask for help when/if the need it. They
> elect officers who run meetings. They are responsible for their own
> work.
I agree that it forces children to develop responsibility and leadership
qualities better than boy sprouts or girl sprouts, because they have to
put it into practice on a continual basis. And we found 4-H kids to be
less snobby than other groups we tried, which was a God-send.
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> 4-H did start out as agricultural, but they encompass anything you can
> imagine now...as my favorite t-shirt says "4-H ain't all cows and
> cookin'"
Yep. There's a computer group in our area and there is some group that
does either model railroads or radio-controlled model airplanes or
something like that. You can create whatever kind of group you want.
--
Where no oxen are, the crib is clean,
But much benefit is derived from the labor of the ox.
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Posted by Pogonip on July 19, 2005, 3:34 pm
Melinda Meahan - take out TRASH to reply wrote:
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> Jeanne Burton wrote:
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>> The best thing about 4-H, IMO, is that it is child/teen-driven. The
>> adults are advisors. They are NOT leaders. The kids do their own
>> projects, choose them, and ask for help when/if the need it. They
>> elect officers who run meetings. They are responsible for their own
>> work.
>
>
> I agree that it forces children to develop responsibility and leadership
> qualities better than boy sprouts or girl sprouts, because they have to
> put it into practice on a continual basis. And we found 4-H kids to be
> less snobby than other groups we tried, which was a God-send.
>
>> 4-H did start out as agricultural, but they encompass anything you can
>> imagine now...as my favorite t-shirt says "4-H ain't all cows and
>> cookin'"
>
>
> Yep. There's a computer group in our area and there is some group that
> does either model railroads or radio-controlled model airplanes or
> something like that. You can create whatever kind of group you want.
>
We much preferred 4-H to Boy Scouts here, especially since the BS
organization has been taken over locally (and perhaps nationally) by a
church as their outreach program and they have put so many
"qualifications" on membership as to religion and sexual orientation.
My kids aren't "joiners" anyway - they have been more interested in what
they can do than who they can do it with. ;-)
--
Joanne
stitches @ singerlady.reno.nv.us.earth
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Posted by Kate Dicey on July 19, 2005, 4:00 pm
Pogonip wrote:
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> We much preferred 4-H to Boy Scouts here, especially since the BS
> organization has been taken over locally (and perhaps nationally) by a
> church as their outreach program and they have put so many
> "qualifications" on membership as to religion and sexual orientation. My
> kids aren't "joiners" anyway - they have been more interested in what
> they can do than who they can do it with. ;-)
That sounds very much against the ethos of the Boy Scout movement. Here
they actively encourage minorities to join. I have seen Church Parades
with lads in turbans carrying the standards. While the movement is
still broadly Christian in character, it is very ecumenical in practice,
and completely non-denominational. I don't think they worry too much
about sexual orientation, except perhaps amongst the leaders.
My son has been a keen cub for the last two years, and is going on to
join the Scouts: his dad looks like being sucked back in as a helper
(and maybe later as a leader - who knows!). So far it has given James a
chance to try all sorts of things, from climbing to archery, from
go-karting to shooting that he would not have had the chance to do
otherwise. We have a very keen area leader, who is also the Akela for
his troupe. She's the maddest and most delightfully committed Scouter
I've ever met - filled with enthusiasm for getting folk to join in an
try things.
My DH has always said that Scouting was one of the best things he did as
a lad: he got to do all sorts of things he'd never have tried otherwise,
like shooting (he later shot small bore riffle for his university, at
Bisley), climbing (he carried that on into adult life too), and several
other things, including going on trips to Switzerland and Iceland (as a
sort of sherpa for a Durham University geological expedition). He went
on to be a Venture Scout and finished as a Queen's Scout.
It's a great shame if the movement has been hijacked in some areas by a
bunch of folk with a personal agenda. The best way to change this is to
join and change it from within.
--
Kate XXXXXX R.C.T.Q Madame Chef des Trolls
Lady Catherine, Wardrobe Mistress of the Chocolate Buttons
http://www.katedicey.co.uk
Click on Kate's Pages and explore!
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Posted by Angrie.Woman on July 19, 2005, 4:42 pm
Kate Dicey wrote:
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> Pogonip wrote:
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>> We much preferred 4-H to Boy Scouts here, especially since the BS
>> organization has been taken over locally (and perhaps nationally) by a
>> church as their outreach program and they have put so many
>> "qualifications" on membership as to religion and sexual orientation.
>> My kids aren't "joiners" anyway - they have been more interested in
>> what they can do than who they can do it with. ;-)
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>
> That sounds very much against the ethos of the Boy Scout movement. Here
> they actively encourage minorities to join. I have seen Church Parades
> with lads in turbans carrying the standards. While the movement is
> still broadly Christian in character, it is very ecumenical in practice,
> and completely non-denominational. I don't think they worry too much
> about sexual orientation, except perhaps amongst the leaders.
Didn't you tell us once that they were also now inclusive of girls? That
will probably never happen here. (They will let women run troops, but
they will not let girls join.)
http://www.bsa-discrimination.org/index.html - kind of Boy Scout hate
site, but it isn't badly written. :) It has some good history of the Boy
Scouts, and how they ended up to be so divisive in the US.
A
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>> Ok so I have to ask Whats 4H? sorry if it's obvious