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Posted by Pogonip on May 17, 2008, 7:39 pm
BEI Design wrote:
>
> Probably true, but there *are* better alternatives, many are
> free or very low cost:
> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Usenet+newsreaders&btnG=Google+Search
>
> Beverly
>
>
Very true, but it takes a certain level of net savvy to even be aware of
Usenet and what news groups are, and how many there are and how useful
they are. I think a lot of the people we see coming through Google just
stumble upon it. Some turn to Google as a stop-gap when their service
dropped Usenet, like AOL did and several others - my own GBIS included.
--
Joanne
stitches @ singerlady.reno.nv.us.earth.milky-way.com
http://members.tripod.com/~bernardschopen/
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Posted by Bill Boyce on May 17, 2008, 10:14 pm
Pogonip wrote:
> BEI Design wrote:
>> Leila wrote:
>>> Wow- weeeee..........ouch....
>>>
>>> The cacklin' woke me up this mornig, I had to see what it
>>> was about.
>>>
>>> This thread makes me afraid to ANYTHING to this forum.
>>>
>>> I guess you only post here when you already know
>>> everything.
>>>
>>> I guess I won't be posting anything else soon, I haven't
>>> gotten
>>> my "knowitall" star yet.
>>
>> It has nothing at all to do with any of us claiming to "know
>> everything". You might make note of the fact that OP indicated that
>> s/h/it was far too busy/important to come back to the newsgroup to
>> read responses, and requested e-mail replies:
>>
>> "IF YOU REPLY, please
>> reply to this email address, or I probably won't see it =/"
>>
>> I suppose the emoticon was supposed to take the sting out of its rude
>> request. Making fun of rudeness has a long tradition in Usenet.
>> Note, "googlegroups" is NOT Usenet.
>>
>>> Have a great weekend ladies.
>>
>> Yet another erroneous assumption. Not everyone here is a lady (or
>> even a woman), there are actually quite a few gentlemen/men.
>>
>> Beverly
>>
> I suppose it could have been worse. At least we were given an email
> address. We could have been given a demand that we put the information
> on a web site and then post the URL.
>
> Between sewergirls and googlegroups, it's a bit of a mess, isn't it? I'm
> guessing that it's because so many ISPs are dropping news from their
> services, and these somewhat lame solutions are being promoted.
>
Maybe some here are feeling threatened by the emergence of googlegroups.
Maybe, they are being taken out of their "comfort zone" of alt.sewing
where they have a disproportionate percentage of the posts, seniority,
and a feeling of entitlement and authority.
They tend to assume ownership of the group, patrolling it's borders,
enforcing their rules of "etiquette" they are delighted to dictate to
newcomers and ridicule them. Hens do the same thing by pecking in a
barnyard, heading off perceived threats to their status by new arrivls.
Googlegroups, by their diversity would be difficult to dominate and star
in, reducing their status.
Just a thought to consider, prompted by this particular thread.
JPBill
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Posted by Pogonip on May 17, 2008, 11:11 pm
Bill Boyce wrote:
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> Maybe some here are feeling threatened by the emergence of googlegroups.
> Maybe, they are being taken out of their "comfort zone" of alt.sewing
> where they have a disproportionate percentage of the posts, seniority,
> and a feeling of entitlement and authority.
>
> They tend to assume ownership of the group, patrolling it's borders,
> enforcing their rules of "etiquette" they are delighted to dictate to
> newcomers and ridicule them. Hens do the same thing by pecking in a
> barnyard, heading off perceived threats to their status by new arrivls.
> Googlegroups, by their diversity would be difficult to dominate and star
> in, reducing their status.
>
> Just a thought to consider, prompted by this particular thread.
>
> JPBill
There used to be a web portal for news groups called Dejanews, and one
or two others, I think. They went away, and Google started
incorporating news group archives in their offerings. Many people who
use Google's access think these are message boards and on the Internet.
Google's access is often targeted by spammers and by the sorts of
cross-posters who want to share their sexual preferences.
News groups vary from mild, moderate, polite ones like this one, to
others where a new poster who displays his ignorance is flayed and
served up. Since some news groups are associated with other
enterprises, like coin collectors, model train enthusiasts, eBay users,
etc., what one posts in a news group can have some ramifications in
"real life." It's easy enough to take a look at other news groups, and
it can be a real eye opener to anyone who thinks that alt.sewing has
posters with a feeling of entitlement and authority.
With news groups, as with email lists and message boards, there are
"ground rules" and they may vary. Lists and boards tend to be
moderated, and if that is more comfortable, that is where a person
should do their interaction. In news groups, it is up to each person to
do the moderation of their own posts and to utilize the filters on their
news reader to moderate what they read. With Google, that is not an
option.
Following your hen yard analogy, what is it with roosters? People
around here are culling roosters, which seems a bit unfair, until you
live next door to someone who keeps chickens. Chickens produce eggs.
Roosters just crow.
--
Joanne
stitches @ singerlady.reno.nv.us.earth.milky-way.com
http://members.tripod.com/~bernardschopen/
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Posted by BEI Design on May 18, 2008, 12:26 am
Pogonip wrote:
<snip>
> Following your hen yard analogy, what is it with
> roosters? People around here are culling roosters, which
> seems a bit unfair, until you live next door to someone
> who keeps chickens. Chickens produce eggs. Roosters just
> crow.
Around here, a place called Coastal Farm and Ranch had a big
pullet sale recently, and were *giving away* cockerels. It
was that or drown 'em. But they had put up a big sign
warning non-farm folks that these were going to grow up to
be roosters, and would never produce anything more useful
than a dawn-alert (which might annoy the neighbors).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rooster
Beverly
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Posted by Samantha Hill - remove TRASH t on May 18, 2008, 1:45 am
I am not threatened by Google Groups. I blame Google for not informing
people that Google Groups is not like Yahoo Groups and that the bulk of
"their groups" don't really have anything to do with them but are part
of a community that has been around for decades.
But that still doesn't excuse people wandering into ANY discussion venue
and acting like all the people there have nothing to do but be at their
beck and call, nor does it excuse people from not learning about basic
netiquette -- such as the idea that questions posted to a particular
venue that could be of interest to a large number of people as opposed
to intimately personal questions should be answered on the same venue --
or in the old days of Usenet when broadband was incomprehensible,
replied to by email and then the person receiving the emails was
honor-bound to summarize all the responses and post the summary on the
venue they asked. Public message boards are not question boxes, they
are DISCUSSION venues, and not only do you lose something when one
person's answer can't trigger a memory in someone else to provide more
information, but they go dead when there is no real discussion in them.
Bill Boyce wrote:
>
> Maybe some here are feeling threatened by the emergence of googlegroups.
> Maybe, they are being taken out of their "comfort zone" of alt.sewing
> where they have a disproportionate percentage of the posts, seniority,
> and a feeling of entitlement and authority.
>
> They tend to assume ownership of the group, patrolling it's borders,
> enforcing their rules of "etiquette" they are delighted to dictate to
> newcomers and ridicule them. Hens do the same thing by pecking in a
> barnyard, heading off perceived threats to their status by new arrivls.
> Googlegroups, by their diversity would be difficult to dominate and star
> in, reducing their status.
>
> Just a thought to consider, prompted by this particular thread.
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