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does Yamata make Huskystar? Max Penn 12-16-2005
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Posted by G. Wayne Hines on December 17, 2005, 6:25 pm
On Sat, 17 Dec 2005 19:50:30 GMT, "Ron Anderson"

>Note this really means nothing. Manufacturers as much as they do not want
>the public to know have been collaborating for years. In the Mid 80's for
>Pfaff's 124th anniversary I made the cut to get the trip for the gala in
>Germany. While touring the factory there was a line of machine castings
>9bodies) that were obviously NOT Pfaff. Once mentioned we were whisked away
>quickly
>Take from this what you will.

I was told the reason Husqvarna farmed out manufacture of the
Huskystar line was because the high cost of labour and materials in
Europe meant they could not put a basic, good quality, mechanical
machine on the market at an attractive price. Probably the same thing
for Pfaff.

The biggest piece of the market is for machines under $500CDN
(whatever that works out to in US dollars). Unfortunately in that area
there's a lot of junk, especially at some of the big box outlets.

gwh


Posted by Ron Anderson on December 18, 2005, 1:00 pm
That is exactly why all the European companies contract out their low end
machines, as well as why there are no machines made in the US any longer.
Wages are far to high to compete with the likes of Taiwan, China , Czech
republic etc.


--
Ron Anderson
A1 Sewing Machine
PO Box 60
Sand Lake, NY 12153
518-469-5133
http://www.a1sewingmachine.com
> On Sat, 17 Dec 2005 19:50:30 GMT, "Ron Anderson"
>
>>Note this really means nothing. Manufacturers as much as they do not want
>>the public to know have been collaborating for years. In the Mid 80's for
>>Pfaff's 124th anniversary I made the cut to get the trip for the gala in
>>Germany. While touring the factory there was a line of machine castings
>>9bodies) that were obviously NOT Pfaff. Once mentioned we were whisked
>>away
>>quickly
>>Take from this what you will.
>
> I was told the reason Husqvarna farmed out manufacture of the
> Huskystar line was because the high cost of labour and materials in
> Europe meant they could not put a basic, good quality, mechanical
> machine on the market at an attractive price. Probably the same thing
> for Pfaff.
>
> The biggest piece of the market is for machines under $500CDN
> (whatever that works out to in US dollars). Unfortunately in that area
> there's a lot of junk, especially at some of the big box outlets.
>
> gwh
>



Posted by Max Penn on December 17, 2005, 7:05 pm

...
> A link to read it all.
> http://www.vsmgroup.com/ links on this page right side.
>
> Note this really means nothing. Manufacturers as much as they do not want
> the public to know have been collaborating for years. In the Mid 80's for
> Pfaff's 124th anniversary I made the cut to get the trip for the gala in
> Germany. While touring the factory there was a line of machine castings
> 9bodies) that were obviously NOT Pfaff. Once mentioned we were whisked
away
> quickly
> Take from this what you will.
>
...

Whatever else it meant, either they were careless or didn't expect someone
with your eye to be present. The world seems to be going in the direction
that "sewing machine" will not only be a generic term but will refer to the
one and only owner/controller of domestic sewing machine production.

I started this thread because my mother is in the market. She is rather
price sensitive and won't buy a good reconditioned machine and I try to
convince her that she'll find a better machine more satisfactory than a
cheap one that will perform poorly and then require replacement after a
little while. (I used a cheap Kenmore for a few weeks that was quite
impressive. It was new, so maybe that doesn't signify.) The reports on the
Huskystars I've seen give them a good quality-to-price ratio and I thought
she could save a few buck with a Yamata that is a Huskystar in all but name.

Somewhere in this thread is an assertion that Yamata does not make Huskystar
but there is no declaration as to who does make them. It can't be a very
well-kept secret. There is no great urgency for me to know (sew what? ha!);
but at this point I'm as curious as I was when I first saw those Yamatas
that could have passed for Huskystars.

Max




Posted by Ron Anderson on December 18, 2005, 1:08 pm
Not a particularly scientific method but in looking at the parts books for
those the part number on many parts particularly the needle plates and
bobbin cover plates are the same as some Janome machine. Janome is the
largest producer of badged sewing machines on the planet. Now there is
nothing to say they do not own Yamatta or make their machines as well. The
one problem again with the Yamatta is no parts support. Best you keep with a
known name brand. Also the Kenmore's were like made by Janome. Just because
a place makes a product does not necessarily mean it is on par with their
other products. Viking can dictate better quality parts as in made in Japan
rather then China etc. etc.


--
Ron Anderson
A1 Sewing Machine
PO Box 60
Sand Lake, NY 12153
518-469-5133
http://www.a1sewingmachine.com
>
> ...
>> A link to read it all.
>> http://www.vsmgroup.com/ links on this page right side.
>>
>> Note this really means nothing. Manufacturers as much as they do not want
>> the public to know have been collaborating for years. In the Mid 80's for
>> Pfaff's 124th anniversary I made the cut to get the trip for the gala in
>> Germany. While touring the factory there was a line of machine castings
>> 9bodies) that were obviously NOT Pfaff. Once mentioned we were whisked
> away
>> quickly
>> Take from this what you will.
>>
> ...
>
> Whatever else it meant, either they were careless or didn't expect someone
> with your eye to be present. The world seems to be going in the direction
> that "sewing machine" will not only be a generic term but will refer to
> the
> one and only owner/controller of domestic sewing machine production.
>
> I started this thread because my mother is in the market. She is rather
> price sensitive and won't buy a good reconditioned machine and I try to
> convince her that she'll find a better machine more satisfactory than a
> cheap one that will perform poorly and then require replacement after a
> little while. (I used a cheap Kenmore for a few weeks that was quite
> impressive. It was new, so maybe that doesn't signify.) The reports on
> the
> Huskystars I've seen give them a good quality-to-price ratio and I thought
> she could save a few buck with a Yamata that is a Huskystar in all but
> name.
>
> Somewhere in this thread is an assertion that Yamata does not make
> Huskystar
> but there is no declaration as to who does make them. It can't be a very
> well-kept secret. There is no great urgency for me to know (sew what?
> ha!);
> but at this point I'm as curious as I was when I first saw those Yamatas
> that could have passed for Huskystars.
>
> Max
>
>
>



Posted by klh on December 18, 2005, 1:33 pm
I toured the viking factory 3 weeks ago and there was noise on the
factory floor about viking being sold but there was no mention of the
purchasing group. There was also much concern about jobs being moved out
of sweden.

In fact, some Pfaff model was being assembled in Husqvarna and that line
was being moved into the area where there were now viking assemblage. no
hint about whether that was compression or replacement. I think that the
pfaff assembly had been moved to sweden for lower labor costs than germany?

Ron Anderson wrote:

>Not a particularly scientific method but in looking at the parts books for
>those the part number on many parts particularly the needle plates and
>bobbin cover plates are the same as some Janome machine. Janome is the
>largest producer of badged sewing machines on the planet.
>
badged? does that mean machines made by janome but sold under another
brand, i.e., kenmore?

>Now there is
>nothing to say they do not own Yamatta or make their machines as well. The
>one problem again with the Yamatta is no parts support. Best you keep with a
>known name brand. Also the Kenmore's were like made by Janome. Just because
>a place makes a product does not necessarily mean it is on par with their
>other products.
>

>Viking can dictate better quality parts as in made in Japan
>rather then China etc. etc.
>
>
do you mean in reference to components? I saw cartons of components for
the viking platinum and designer lines that had come from other places
but those were commodities, i.e., motors and disk drives. I suspect that
other components may come from common sources if they 'fit' and then
assembly is in Husqvarna. [The transmission in my Volvo [owned by Ford]
is made by GM and the car was assembled in Ghent Belgium but the origin
sticker says Sweden].

My Viking Huskylock serger 936 says made in Taiwan but of course no
reference to the mfr or assembler name.

Kenneth in VA

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