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Posted by Kate XXXXXX on May 5, 2009, 4:41 pm
Olwyn Mary wrote:
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> Kate XXXXXX wrote:
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>> Always interested. As a dress and costume maker, there's no knowing
>> what I might be asked for next!
>>> In any event, first: I don't have a pattern for the stole, just
>>> "suggestions". So how do you "round" the neck portion so that it lays
>>> comfortably around the neck? I know the Eastern Orthodox miter it into
>>> a "V", but Episcopalian/Roman Catholic priests that I have spoken to
>>> don't like that,yet their greatest complaint is about the neck.
>> Cut the two long bits that hang down the front separate from the bit
>> that goes round the back of the neck... Cut that like a facing for a
>> jewel necked top... Just a thought.
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> Sorry, Kate. They are traditionally made in two pieces, with a seam at
> the center back and a cross embroidered over it. For fitting, if the
> cleric does not have a favorite stole, it is better to try a few
> different curves in a toile, to see what is best.
That makes a lot of sense. And it gets a red herring out of the pot!
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>>> Second: do you have a source for trim (orphrey, galoon and applique
>>> crosses and the like)? Yes, I can get them in NYC for a good price,
>>> but they all have a minimum order, and I want to make one stole before
>>> commiting to a large order. I'm particularly looking for appliques.
>> These any use to you?
>>> http://www.sewbizfabrics.com/applivenice8.shtml
> >> http://www.windstarembroidery.com/Christian-Embroidery-Designs.cfm
>
>> Or are these better:
>>>
http://www.laughinglizards.com/religious-spiritual-c-72_122.html?osCsid=74819e429d3de623165f1220f1482b96
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http://www.createforless.com/Wrights+Appliques+Iron+On+Gold+Metallic+Cross/pid83178.aspx?utm_source=shopDT&utm_medium=cse
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> None of the above, unfortunately. The iron-on ones cannot be used -
> must be sewn on and dry-cleanable (or hand washable in the case of
> synthetic fibre vestments) and the machine embroidery ones would have to
> be purchased by an enthusiast.
The nuns at my school used to make hand embroidered stuff like this...
I wasn't sufficiently interested at that point to know how they arrived
at the designes, but they were individually done for each church and priest.
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>> Having had a look round, it might be better to go the embrodered
>> route, and if you don't have that capacity, get that priced by someone
>> who ca do a nice job for you.
>
> Always safer to go to the "official" house unless you really, truly know
> what you are doing. (Wippell's is in Exeter, BTW, you might take a look
> at their site). I can bend the rules because I know them, what is
> absolute and what is optional. Also, whenever I have made vestments, it
> has always been in close consultation with the intended wearer.
I was tryin to find some I'd used as references once before, but I think
the links vanished in some now acheologial access only computer crash!
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> BTW, Kate, on another topic, there is a question on the PMB board about
> making a taffeta corset. You might want to help the lady.
Got a URL for that? It sounds like fun.
--
Kate XXXXXX R.C.T.Q Madame Chef des Trolls
Lady Catherine, Wardrobe Mistress of the Chocolate Buttons
http://www.katedicey.co.uk
Click on Kate's Pages and explore!
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Posted by Olwyn Mary on May 5, 2009, 4:45 pm
Kate XXXXXX wrote:
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> Olwyn Mary wrote:>> BTW, Kate, on another topic, there is a question on the
PMB board
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>> about making a taffeta corset. You might want to help the lady.
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> Got a URL for that? It sounds like fun.
It's on the Wild Ginger forum. www.wildginger.com then go to community
forums
p.s. I still insist that that ought to be fora! Oh well, let's not be
too pendantic
Olwyn Mary in New Orleans
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Posted by Kate XXXXXX on May 5, 2009, 5:35 pm
Olwyn Mary wrote:
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> Kate XXXXXX wrote:
>> Olwyn Mary wrote:>> BTW, Kate, on another topic, there is a question
>> on the PMB board
>>> about making a taffeta corset. You might want to help the lady.
>> Got a URL for that? It sounds like fun.
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> It's on the Wild Ginger forum. www.wildginger.com then go to community
> forums
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> p.s. I still insist that that ought to be fora! Oh well, let's not be
> too pendantic
>
> Olwyn Mary in New Orleans
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'S OK - I found it! :) Have asked her some questions and am awaiting a
reply.
My latest one is almost done. I'll post about that in a new thread.
Maybe tomorrow!
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Kate XXXXXX R.C.T.Q Madame Chef des Trolls
Lady Catherine, Wardrobe Mistress of the Chocolate Buttons
http://www.katedicey.co.uk
Click on Kate's Pages and explore!
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Posted by Joy Beeson on May 7, 2009, 6:44 pm
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> p.s. I still insist that that ought to be fora! Oh well, let's not be
> too pendantic
There are many fora for discussions, among them are web forums.
That is, the old word takes the old plural, the new word takes the
currently-regular plural.
Akin to "He flied out to second."
But for some reason "mice" didn't change to "mouses" -- it should
have. Speculation: "mice" is an everyday word and firmly entrenched,
and many people strongly dislike "s" plurals of words that end in an
"s" sound.
Joy Beeson
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joy beeson at comcast dot net
http://roughsewing.home.comcast.net/ -- sewing
http://n3f.home.comcast.net/ -- Writers' Exchange
The above message is a Usenet post.
I don't recall having given anyone permission to use it on a Web site.
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Posted by Betsy on May 5, 2009, 3:41 pm
Sparafucile wrote:
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> On Mon, 04 May 2009 10:41:11 -0500, Olwyn Mary wrote:
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>> If I can be of further help, don't hesitate to come back with your
>> questions.
> Hi, Olwyn Mary and Sarah!
>
> Yes, I do have a question or two. But first: should I take this to
> email, or is anyone else interested in this thread?
I'm interested in this thread. I've done more vestment repair than
construction, but have done a few vestments. I was just considering
doing more before I saw this thread.
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> In any event, first: I don't have a pattern for the stole, just
> "suggestions". So how do you "round" the neck portion so that it lays
> comfortably around the neck? I know the Eastern Orthodox miter it into
> a "V", but Episcopalian/Roman Catholic priests that I have spoken to
> don't like that,yet their greatest complaint is about the neck.
If you are interested in buying a pattern, there is a curved one here.
http://www.churchlinens.com/vestment-patterns.html
If I were making one for a particular priest, I would fit it for him to
fit properly with the other vestments he will be wearing.
--Betsy
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>> Always interested. As a dress and costume maker, there's no knowing
>> what I might be asked for next!
>>> In any event, first: I don't have a pattern for the stole, just
>>> "suggestions". So how do you "round" the neck portion so that it lays
>>> comfortably around the neck? I know the Eastern Orthodox miter it into
>>> a "V", but Episcopalian/Roman Catholic priests that I have spoken to
>>> don't like that,yet their greatest complaint is about the neck.
>> Cut the two long bits that hang down the front separate from the bit
>> that goes round the back of the neck... Cut that like a facing for a
>> jewel necked top... Just a thought.
>
> Sorry, Kate. They are traditionally made in two pieces, with a seam at
> the center back and a cross embroidered over it. For fitting, if the
> cleric does not have a favorite stole, it is better to try a few
> different curves in a toile, to see what is best.