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martial arts uniform sew pattern ? robb 05-16-2008
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Posted by robb on May 18, 2008, 2:10 pm

"Samantha Hill - remove TRASH to reply"
[trim lots of helpfu answers]
>
> Is there some reason why you want to make the gi instead of
just buying
> the $16.50 one at ebogu.com? They will grow out of it
altogether too
> fast.
>

Thanks Samantha,
for the all the helpful advice and suggestions.

main reason for sewing a gi would be ...
i like to sew and i like to sew new and different projects to
learn about the craft in general, especially with simpler style
projects. Also the Nature of my beast leads me to immerse myself
into whatever new thing i am interested in to learn all the
various nuances... for instance, the gussets and the breathable
panels, different types of non-traditional fabrics that might be
better suitted for different martial art forms or events etc...

In this case the neccesity for sturdy construction, comfort and
freedom of movement inside a garment made of very stiff or
non-stretchy material is interesting. I have already learned lots
of new things about martial arts uniforms like the variety of
styles that differ between different martial arts forms usually
dependent on the types of movements that are made etc

as simple as the uniforms are they are new to me.

i will likely purchase a reasonably priced uniform from the
school in support of the school and maybe make something later
for fun or as a spare or when outgrown etc...

Thanks again for all the helpful info and advice
robb



Posted by Samantha Hill - remove TRASH t on May 19, 2008, 12:51 am
robb wrote:
>
> main reason for sewing a gi would be ...
> i like to sew and i like to sew new and different projects to
> learn about the craft in general, especially with simpler style
> projects. Also the Nature of my beast leads me to immerse myself
> into whatever new thing i am interested in to learn all the
> various nuances... for instance, the gussets and the breathable
> panels, different types of non-traditional fabrics that might be
> better suitted for different martial art forms or events etc...

Got it.

> i will likely purchase a reasonably priced uniform from the
> school in support of the school and maybe make something later
> for fun or as a spare or when outgrown etc...

You can copy a pattern from what you buy. You don't need to buy a
separate pattern. Then just take your child's measurements and the
pattern measurements for a point of reference and simply add length and
height as needed to the pattern you clone as he/she grows. Then all you
have to worry about is a belt.

I am not sure about karate schools, but for tae kwon do my son is
required to wear a dobok (sp? -- it's what the tae kwon do uniform is
called) with a screenprint of the schools logo on the back, and the
karate school could possibly require the same. For judo, he only has to
have sewn-on badges, and apart from the fact that I will never find
the fabric they make the jackets out of, that would make it lots easier
to make a copy of.

I'd love to clone my son's dobok top pattern and make him a longer one
-- he is 6 feet tall -- but he now has a special uniform since he got
his black belt, and it would be that much more noticeable if one I made
didn't look perfect, so I have given up on the idea.

Posted by Sharon Hays on May 19, 2008, 7:57 am
robb wrote:

>
>
> Great so i can trust that roundearth pattern is more than a
> costume.
>

Yes. But even if you started with a costume pattern, as long as you make
sure there is plenty of ease, and you make sure your construction methods
are STURDY, you're fine. You only need the pattern pieces for the shape of
them.



> Thanks Sharon,
> Yes, that helps greatly.
>
> i also am interested in comfort and fit which greatly affects
> the price of the RTW/OTS Gi.
>
> In the archives i think you mentioned using a guset in the pants
> for the flexible movement and strength. Do you think that is
> still in order if i were to use a sweat pant or scrubs type
> pattern ?

Well, that's going to be up to you. We're talking about a young child just
starting out and didn't you say karate? You are going to have to look at
what the child will be doing. For beginning karate, you're not talking
about a lot of HUGE body movements. So you might be OK. Remember LOTS OF
EASE. See if you can borrow a pair of pants from the dojo. Look and see
what they did on those. Copy, copy, copy.


>
> Besides heavy linen is there any other fabric that you would
> consider as an ok-good substitute ?
> I was thinking maybe some soft duck or bleached/white denim ?
> the Gi online sales places also talk aout 6-8-10-12 oz fabrics
> used in their Gi. Have any advice on weight ?


Remember this is for a child. If you use duck, it's going to be very heavy,
as in the actual weight of the garment. (picturing the child unable to do
a front snap kick because the pants weigh so much...) The linen I have
used is a very heavy, tight weave. I'm not talking shirt linen here.
What made it so nice was that it BREATHES. Denim would be fine. Remember,
you are making this for a child, no one will be tossing this child around
the dojo any time soon. I wouldn't use more than a 10 oz bleached denim.
Or a 10 oz cotton twill.


You want sturdy. But honestly, it doesn't have to be cast iron. 1. the
child may not stick with karate for long. 2. this is a beginning student,
the really rough stuff won't start in the dojo for a long while. 3. kids
grow FAST.


>
> another interesting modification i ran across was inserting
> panels of some breathable fabric like (? AirLite ?) across the
> back shoulder and inserting 2 inch wide strips along the outer
> leg seams and from the armpit down to the waist. Have you heard
> of, seen or done anything like that ?
>

Uh...... Ick. I suppose it would be comfortable. But, keep in mind the
folks I know are sticklers for Tradition, why not just wear a sweatsuit
from wal-mart instead of a gi?? Remember natural fibers are breathable.
Stay away from polyester and you will be fine.


> I am guesing the ties on the inside can not be replaced with
> velcro ?

No. Would you like to have velcro rubbing on your waist??? Ow!!! And ties
won't come undone like velcro will.

>
> unfortuneately this will be for a young child so that just makes
> it all the more difficult in the way of scale or rather
> re-scaling.
>
> thanks again for the help and ideas ,
> robb


Then don't buy a pattern. Use the instructions I gave you. Those just
require measuring and drafting to suit. That's really the best way to go
on stuff like this anyway. Just remember to add Lots of Ease.

Sharon

--
Never try to teach a pig to sing. It's a waste of time and just annoys the
pig.

Posted by robb on May 20, 2008, 12:47 pm

> robb wrote:
>
> > Great so i can trust that roundearth pattern is more than a
> > costume.
>
> Yes. But even if you started with a costume pattern, as long as
you make
> sure there is plenty of ease, and you make sure your
construction methods
> are STURDY, you're fine. You only need the pattern pieces for
the shape of
> them.
>

i understand your rationale and i believe you ...
but you speak from experience and I am a mere grasshoppa.
however, one can not ignore that there are many aspects of
garment construction that a **costume** pattern will skip,
delete, embellish or ignore. in this case the stiffening of the
collar , adding gussets, coat ties, the proper length of coat,
the overlap of right and left front coat flaps, reinforcing the
pant and sleeve hems and so on.

and since i am not *yet* knowledgeable in those areas i try to
avoid those troubles

[trim]
> > Besides heavy linen is there any other fabric that you would
> > consider as an ok-good substitute ?
> > I was thinking maybe some soft duck or bleached/white denim
?
> > the Gi online sales places also talk aout 6-8-10-12 oz
fabrics
> > used in their Gi. Have any advice on weight ?
>
> Remember this is for a child. If you use duck, it's going to
be very heavy,
> as in the actual weight of the garment. (picturing the child
unable to do
> a front snap kick because the pants weigh so much...) The
linen I have
> used is a very heavy, tight weave. I'm not talking shirt linen
here.
> What made it so nice was that it BREATHES. Denim would be
fine. Remember,
> you are making this for a child, no one will be tossing this
child around
> the dojo any time soon. I wouldn't use more than a 10 oz
bleached denim.
> Or a 10 oz cotton twill.

I did not poo-poo the linen, i think it would be a great fabric
maybe for an advanced martial artist and some reading on one of
your links shows that linen is a traditional fabric.

I was just thinking of a %100 cotton fabric but again i do not
have the fabric repertoire to readily realize a good choice or
alternatives. When i looked at a Gi it seemed like some medium to
heavy but soft, flexible like a finely woven material but i have
no name for it. Some 7 oz cotton twills i looked at may just
the thing to try. Thanks for the suggestion.

>
> You want sturdy. But honestly, it doesn't have to be cast
iron. 1. the
> child may not stick with karate for long. 2. this is a
beginning student,
> the really rough stuff won't start in the dojo for a long
while. 3. kids
> grow FAST.
>
>
> > another interesting modification i ran across was inserting
> > panels of some breathable fabric like (? AirLite ?) across
the
> > back shoulder and inserting 2 inch wide strips along the
outer
> > leg seams and from the armpit down to the waist. Have you
heard
> > of, seen or done anything like that ?
> >
>
> Uh...... Ick. I suppose it would be comfortable. But, keep
in mind the
> folks I know are sticklers for Tradition, why not just wear a
sweatsuit
> from wal-mart instead of a gi?? Remember natural fibers are
breathable.
> Stay away from polyester and you will be fine.
>

these styles are sold on a martial arts equipment web store ? The
idea of coolness and breathability seem to make some sense as
summer quickly approaches and we are very hot in summer so i
thought i would ask.

>
> > I am guesing the ties on the inside can not be replaced with
> > velcro ?
>
> No. Would you like to have velcro rubbing on your waist???
Ow!!! And ties
> won't come undone like velcro will.
>
got it.

> >
> > unfortuneately this will be for a young child so that just
makes
> > it all the more difficult in the way of scale or rather
> > re-scaling.
> >
> > thanks again for the help and ideas ,
> >
>
> Then don't buy a pattern. Use the instructions I gave you.
Those just
> require measuring and drafting to suit. That's really the best
way to go
> on stuff like this anyway. Just remember to add Lots of Ease.
>

i like the instructions you gave a link to i was planning to try
it with some muslin for fun and practice.

thanks again for the help Sharon
robb



Posted by Samantha Hill - remove TRASH t on May 20, 2008, 1:13 pm
You do not want twill. It is not a durable fabric and will get skinned
up easily. Find a good solid poplin. It comes in broadcloth-weight and
in a heavier weight. I am sure fabric.com would have it.

Or take your child's gi to the fabric store, find someone who knows what
they are talking about, and ask them what type of fabric it is.

robb wrote:
>
> I was just thinking of a %100 cotton fabric but again i do not
> have the fabric repertoire to readily realize a good choice or
> alternatives. When i looked at a Gi it seemed like some medium to
> heavy but soft, flexible like a finely woven material but i have
> no name for it. Some 7 oz cotton twills i looked at may just
> the thing to try. Thanks for the suggestion.


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