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Posted by willi on November 6, 2006, 8:07 pm
Oh boy...here is where my lack of experience catches up with me. I'm
still in the 'trying to understand the 'pattern' mode...as in the
pattern I was working on...because I was trying to understand the logic
of why I am doing what with regard to the construction of socks. You
have given me a different approach (pattern) which makes sense, but
I'll have to do it to understand. My pattern doesn't say anything
about wrapping anything...duh.
Anyway, in answer to your question, I am using Sisu yarn 80% wool/20%
nylon. The information on the label says 2.5 to 3 needles and 27 sts
to 10 cm/4in. My guage is about 7.5 sts to the inch.
It seems to fit if I hold him down and make him try it on...hmm...I
should point out that my perceptive math skills are horrible...but
logic I can usually relate to.
thanks again!
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> >So as I sat thinking about your post...I realized that it was not the
> >width of the heel flap that was my problem it was the 'length' of the
> >short rows...as the 'bump' generated by the short rows was a little
> >narrow. This says to me that my problem isn't the heel flap, but, that
> >it would be solved if I used say 11 or 12 stitches in the short rows
> >themselves before the turn...right?You make a short row heel the same way
every time, regardless of the
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> number of stitches in it. Work across to the last stitch in the heel,
> wrap it, turn, work back to the first stitch, wrap it, turn, ad naus
> until you've worked down to 20% of stitches (or 1/3 of the heel) left
> unwrapped, then start working your way back up.
> But really, what sort of yarn and what gauge are you working at to
> make those socks? Because I *really* have trouble believing a
> 60-stitch sock fits anybody who wears a shoe bigger than mine (women's
> 10), which describes a good portion of the male species :D
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Posted by WoolyGooly on November 6, 2006, 11:14 pm
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>Oh boy...here is where my lack of experience catches up with me. I'm
>still in the 'trying to understand the 'pattern' mode...as in the
>pattern I was working on...because I was trying to understand the logic
>of why I am doing what with regard to the construction of socks. You
>have given me a different approach (pattern) which makes sense, but
>I'll have to do it to understand. My pattern doesn't say anything
>about wrapping anything...duh.
Eh well, I don't know that pattern. It's possible to knit socks with
short row heels that aren't wrapped but you'll have a nice line of
draughty holes on either side of the ankle.
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>Anyway, in answer to your question, I am using Sisu yarn 80% wool/20%
>nylon. The information on the label says 2.5 to 3 needles and 27 sts
>to 10 cm/4in. My guage is about 7.5 sts to the inch.
You need to know your gauge precisely if you want to make things that
fit the person for whom you are knitting. Half a stitch per inch, or
per four inches, adds up over the long run. A sweater that calls for
20 stitches per 4" will be Not The Right Size if you knit it at 22
stitches per 4" and your lucky recipient will perhaps bear an
unfortunate resemblance to a sausage when s/he puts the thing on...
How big around is the man's ankle? 60 stitches @ 7.5spi works out to
a sock of about 8" diameter. Is his ankle multiplied by your gauge
minus about 10% to prevent baggy socks coincidentally 8"? If it is
just use 40 stitches on the heel, treat the center 20 as the "back" of
the heel and work the 10 on either side as the short rows.
And you know, if the first one doesn't fit you can fiddle around and
make the second one fit, then rip the first one and reknit it. It's
only knitting...
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>It seems to fit if I hold him down and make him try it on...hmm...I
>should point out that my perceptive math skills are horrible...but
>logic I can usually relate to.
>thanks again!
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Posted by Alison on November 6, 2006, 8:30 pm
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>>So as I sat thinking about your post...I realized that it was not the
>>width of the heel flap that was my problem it was the 'length' of the
>>short rows...as the 'bump' generated by the short rows was a little
>>narrow. This says to me that my problem isn't the heel flap, but, that
>>it would be solved if I used say 11 or 12 stitches in the short rows
>>themselves before the turn...right?
When I make a short row heel I use half the stitches in the heel. If
there were 32 stitches in the heel stitches, I would use 16 unwrapped
stitches in the middle and 8 wrapped stitches on each side. This
works for me (I wear a size 9 women's shoe with a wide toe and
narrowish heel.) And I usually use between 60 and 64 stitches for a
sock for me (size 1.5 to 2 needles) unless it's really heavier yarn.
I'm making a sock with sportweight on size 3 and I actually only used
56 stitches to start and reduced to 48 after the wide part of the toe
(toe up sock.)
ALison
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Posted by WoolyGooly on November 6, 2006, 11:07 pm
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>When I make a short row heel I use half the stitches in the heel. If
>there were 32 stitches in the heel stitches, I would use 16 unwrapped
>stitches in the middle and 8 wrapped stitches on each side. This
>works for me (I wear a size 9 women's shoe with a wide toe and
>narrowish heel.) And I usually use between 60 and 64 stitches for a
>sock for me (size 1.5 to 2 needles) unless it's really heavier yarn.
>I'm making a sock with sportweight on size 3 and I actually only used
>56 stitches to start and reduced to 48 after the wide part of the toe
>(toe up sock.)
Yeah, it's trial and error until you get it right for the foot you're
knitting for. Over the years I've developed my own personal sock
formula based on my feet, my knitting, that yarn, those needles, ad
naus. Some yarns work better with flap-gusset heels, others work with
short row heels.
Then I busted my arm and screwed up my wrist, my gauge changed, and
Ihad to start from scratch...
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> >width of the heel flap that was my problem it was the 'length' of the
> >short rows...as the 'bump' generated by the short rows was a little
> >narrow. This says to me that my problem isn't the heel flap, but, that
> >it would be solved if I used say 11 or 12 stitches in the short rows
> >themselves before the turn...right?You make a short row heel the same way