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Posted by Mary Fisher on May 20, 2008, 3:43 am
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How can (genuine) mail armour be made by nåhlbindning?
Even that made for modern use, e.g. metal gloves to protect butchers' hands,
are made by connected rings. Nåhlbindning depends on flexible 'yarn' of some
kind.
In fact (before anyone corrects me) my use of the word 'rings' is wrong
because the elements are penannular - not enclosed. That's how the 'rings'
can be threaded through each other. They only beconme complete circles when
riveted together.
Mary
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Posted by on May 20, 2008, 6:08 am
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> How can (genuine) mail armour be made by n=E5hlbindning?
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> In fact (before anyone corrects me) my use of the word 'rings' is wrong
> because the elements are penannular - not enclosed. That's how the 'rings'=
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> can be threaded through each other. They only beconme complete circles whe=
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> Mary
Mary , i really saw [at least three that i remember], local
blacksmiths , who turned one spring over/into another and in this way
made a kind of armour, strong, metal and flexible, if i hadn`t seen it
with my own eyes i wouldn`t have thought it possible. People all over
history, all over the globe were extremely efficient and talented in
making all kinds of things, that they NEEDED. We get so many things
ready made , that we forget to Praise the fantastic abbilities of
people to MAKE objectes , [ some very complicated] themselves.
As i wrote to you we found enough rusted broken parts , to understand
how they were made,,,
mirjam
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Posted by YarnWright on May 20, 2008, 9:53 pm
Mary Fisher spun a FINE 'yarn':
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>How can (genuine) mail armour be made by nehlbindning?
>Even that made for modern use, e.g. metal gloves to protect butchers' hands,
>are made by connected rings. Nehlbindning depends on flexible 'yarn' of some
>kind.
>In fact (before anyone corrects me) my use of the word 'rings' is wrong
>because the elements are penannular - not enclosed. That's how the 'rings'
>can be threaded through each other. They only beconme complete circles when
>riveted together.
>Mary
Mary
Do some research. Mirjam and I as well as quite a few others here who are
really INTO renaisance times HAVE done the research, and know what of we speak.
Noreen
who knows you just have a vendetta against Mirjam, and will fight YOU every
step of the way. SHE belongs, your ATTITUDE doesn't.
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Posted by on May 20, 2008, 11:26 pm
Thank you Noreen for your kind words.
and to Mary, i have a ps ,,,,
In Belgium , Brusselles in the "AFRICA " Museum, there are Several
Straw and [dried] Grass and other
Vegetable armors, that were collected through the ex colonies , from
various tribes. I observed some
of those quite closely. All are made with Contineous Fibers. None are
made of any ringlets nore short parts
squeezed into ringlets. People are very inventive and learn quick ,
for example , MarcoPolo went to China
and learned there, part of Their techniques, he brought those home,
and applied them to other materials,
which his people had !!!!!!
If you read how Technology and crafts spread, you will be amazed. I
think you live in UK, look around you
and see how many things in UK , were imported, and how many things
your Sailors, merchants and
misionaries taught to other people.
mirjam
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Posted by Mary Fisher on May 21, 2008, 4:48 am
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> Mary
> Do some research. Mirjam and I as well as quite a few others here who are
> really INTO renaisance times HAVE done the research, and know what of we
> speak.
> Noreen
> who knows you just have a vendetta against Mirjam, and will fight YOU
> every
> step of the way. SHE belongs, your ATTITUDE doesn't.
Ahem. You seem to have a vendetta against me, I don't against anyone :-)
And I do know quite a lot about armour; although I don't make it and we
don't wear it (we're 100% non-combatant in role as well as in real life)
many of my friends and fellow traders do. We're not 'into' rennaissance
activities, we practise earlier skills. My husband is a metallurgist and
takes a keen interest in such things. He's a very practical man (he does
most of the mediaeval textiles in this house). I asked him about this matter
yesterday evening, he said wire could be twisted into something resembling a
pan scrub but it wouldn't be nåhlbindning - which needs a needle.
You really shouldn't assume that others have no experience or historical
knowledge.
Next time I go to the Royal Armouries Museum (within walking distance of
home) I'll ask the Curator of Armour (who we know because we've been
involved with the Armouries since before it came to the city, we were
invited to the Queen's opening) - but shan't bother putting his answers here
because I suspect that they wouldn't be believed.
Mary
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> How can (genuine) mail armour be made by n=E5hlbindning?
> Even that made for modern use, e.g. metal gloves to protect butchers' hand=