Knitted [metal] armor - Page 5

>On Thu, 22 May 2008 03:53:19 -0700, mirjam wrote:
>> Bernadette ,,,, this time i answer you from the Bottom of your post ,,
>> Please look at the subject line
>> it says KNITTED {METAL] Armor ....thus were do you find
>>> This time it started from when you shared your happiness about your day
>>> of celebration and has continued ever since, with others joining in
>>> since a comment was made by Mary about it not being a day of celebration
>>> for everyone. From what I have seen you really do not need others to
>>> join in to defend you - you seem quite capable of doing that yourself)!
>>
>> I think it is perfectly ok to say something about MY HAPINESS about OUR
>> indepence day.
>I agree with you, in the same way that others who subscribe to this group
>are wished a happy birthday or anniversary. We all have days that are
>special to us and I believe it is good to share them.
>> I don`t make comments like
>Mary`s, on any of YOUR Holidays or her
>> holidays, Nore do i comment on her Country`s political behaviours. But
>> this post was about A KNITTED metal Armor. And when i told her waht i
>> knew , not insulting her on her different knowledge and or experience,
>> she went out of her way to be unkind. Not to mention that after the
>> former discussion , she wrote something extremely unkind. I have never
>> asked anybody to deffend me. But i can thank those who do .
>Yes, and it is good to thank those who have supported you. I am just
>saying that you are a strong enough person to not need that although
>support from friends is always nice.
>Has it > occured to you, that me and mykind became so capeable in deffending
>> ourselves , because there are so amny people who think it is right to
>> attack us.? Generations of persons who throw malice on us have taught us
>> to stand up and answer back. There us a Special Sceintific name for
>> Those kinds of words like that lady threw on me ....
>Of course it has Mirjam and I have some experience of malice. My parents
>were immigrants into the UK back in the 1930s - something that was thrown
>at us regularly! One particular neighbour always spat on the pavement just
>in front of my feet while commenting, "dirty Irish". There were times I
>wished I was bigger to be able to smack him hard - in the mouth!!!!! One
>thing I have learned is that you can NEVER change another person's mind
>for them. All you can do is try to ensure that you own remains open and
>healthy - and that is no easy task at times.
>>
>>> > Excuse me !!!!!!!!!
>>> > and what exactly does that mean ?, when talk about ARMORS that were
>>> > worn during the crusades , and a discussion about the method in which
>>> > they were made ???????
>>> What it means Mirjam is that this is not the first time this type of
>>> nastiness has erupted on this board and each time it does it has
>>> NOTHING to do with the subject under discussion.
>> Yes we agree , this is not the first time this type of nastiness has
>> erupted here, Why don`t you than tell THOSE who start it to stop !!!!!
>> People share here loads of things and nobody thinks they should jump on
>> them for it with other unrelated remarks ,,,, Why do some people think
>> they have the right to jump on my posts, and criticise me and mine.
>I do not know the answer to that.
>>> This time it started from when you shared your happiness about your day
>>> of celebration and has continued ever since, with others joining in
>>> since a comment was made by Mary about it not being a day of
>>> celebration for everyone. From what I have seen you really do not need
>>> others to join in to defend you - you seem quite capable of doing that
>>> yourself)!
>> I have pasted this part above and answered it ,,,, and ps have you ever
>> seen me make such remarks ????
>No, I have not.
>>
>>> > I think the above text has NOTHING what so ever to do with the
>>> > discussions here !!!!
>>> I agree and nor do any of the snide comments that have been thrown
>>> about either.
>> So what is your suggestion that i swallow every unkind remark ? I do my
>> best not to answer , but from time to time there are lines one should
>> not pass.
>I would not be arrogant enough to suggest to you how you should react
>Mirjam. I was merely commenting on the unkindness shown.
>>
>>> I was not referring to you specifically Mirjam, I was referring to the
>>> people I have spoken to and used some of their words regarding the
>>> situation they are in AS THEY FEEL IT.
>> Of course no , but since you said some of your beloved Jewish friends
>> feel they live in hell , i thought i may tell you , i don`t live in
>> hell. I don`t know aho your Jewish & Palestinian friends are nore
>> where they live , and i wish all a better life. And i hope that like me
>> they know that a better life to all can be achieved only by working for
>> it , not complaining about it .
>>> Nor do I Mirjam unless they have referred to them selves specifically
>>> in
>> Sorry you took SPECIAL CARE to tell me you had beloved friends who are
>> both Palestinians and Jews who feel that their life is hard... I on the
>> other hand have many friends, who care and work, to make life better for
>> EVERY Human being.
>Thank you, it is sometimes difficult to express clearly what is meant - as
>you well know! Sometimes what we say is not accepted in the way in which
>it is spoken but I prefer to think these misunderstandings arise because
>of not being face to face with the person to whom I am speaking. Text
>alone cannot convey nuances of language.
>>> that way and speak on these matters to make a point to me. The people
>>> to whom I was referring had done that and I was sharing with you what
>>> they had shared with me. If someone tells me that they are black, or
>>> Russian, or Irish I do not try to take away their definition of them
>>> selves as it obviously matters to them.
>> I will remember that the next time we have any discussion about this
>> that etc...
>> have a nice day /evening etc....
>> mirjam
>I hope you too enjoy your day and thank you for coming back to me on this
>subject. I feel we have reached a deeper understanding of each other.
>Apologies to others in the group for taking up so much space on here on an
>"Off topic" subject.
<end quoted>

> Bernadette spun a FINE 'yarn':
>
>>On Thu, 22 May 2008 03:53:19 -0700, mirjam wrote:
>>> Bernadette ,,,, this time i answer you from the Bottom of your post ,,
>>> Please look at the subject line
>>> it says KNITTED {METAL] Armor ....thus were do you find
>>>> This time it started from when you shared your happiness about your
>>>> day of celebration and has continued ever since, with others joining
>>>> in since a comment was made by Mary about it not being a day of
>>>> celebration for everyone. From what I have seen you really do not need
>>>> others to join in to defend you - you seem quite capable of doing that
>>>> yourself)!
>>>
>>> I think it is perfectly ok to say something about MY HAPINESS about OUR
>>> indepence day.
>>I agree with you, in the same way that others who subscribe to this group
>>are wished a happy birthday or anniversary. We all have days that are
>>special to us and I believe it is good to share them.
>>> I don`t make comments like
>>Mary`s, on any of YOUR Holidays or her
>>> holidays, Nore do i comment on her Country`s political behaviours. But
>>> this post was about A KNITTED metal Armor. And when i told her waht i
>>> knew , not insulting her on her different knowledge and or experience,
>>> she went out of her way to be unkind. Not to mention that after the
>>> former discussion , she wrote something extremely unkind. I have never
>>> asked anybody to deffend me. But i can thank those who do .
>>Yes, and it is good to thank those who have supported you. I am just
>>saying that you are a strong enough person to not need that although
>>support from friends is always nice.
>>Has it > occured to you, that me and mykind became so capeable in
>>deffending
>>> ourselves , because there are so amny people who think it is right to
>>> attack us.? Generations of persons who throw malice on us have taught
>>> us to stand up and answer back. There us a Special Sceintific name for
>>> Those kinds of words like that lady threw on me ....
>>Of course it has Mirjam and I have some experience of malice. My parents
>>were immigrants into the UK back in the 1930s - something that was thrown
>>at us regularly! One particular neighbour always spat on the pavement
>>just in front of my feet while commenting, "dirty Irish". There were
>>times I wished I was bigger to be able to smack him hard - in the
>>mouth!!!!! One thing I have learned is that you can NEVER change another
>>person's mind for them. All you can do is try to ensure that you own
>>remains open and healthy - and that is no easy task at times.
>>>
>>>> > Excuse me !!!!!!!!!
>>>> > and what exactly does that mean ?, when talk about ARMORS that were
>>>> > worn during the crusades , and a discussion about the method in
>>>> > which they were made ???????
>>>> What it means Mirjam is that this is not the first time this type of
>>>> nastiness has erupted on this board and each time it does it has
>>>> NOTHING to do with the subject under discussion.
>>> Yes we agree , this is not the first time this type of nastiness has
>>> erupted here, Why don`t you than tell THOSE who start it to stop !!!!!
>>> People share here loads of things and nobody thinks they should jump on
>>> them for it with other unrelated remarks ,,,, Why do some people think
>>> they have the right to jump on my posts, and criticise me and mine.
>>I do not know the answer to that.
>>>> This time it started from when you shared your happiness about your
>>>> day of celebration and has continued ever since, with others joining
>>>> in since a comment was made by Mary about it not being a day of
>>>> celebration for everyone. From what I have seen you really do not need
>>>> others to join in to defend you - you seem quite capable of doing that
>>>> yourself)!
>>> I have pasted this part above and answered it ,,,, and ps have you ever
>>> seen me make such remarks ????
>>No, I have not.
>>>
>>>> > I think the above text has NOTHING what so ever to do with the
>>>> > discussions here !!!!
>>>> I agree and nor do any of the snide comments that have been thrown
>>>> about either.
>>> So what is your suggestion that i swallow every unkind remark ? I do my
>>> best not to answer , but from time to time there are lines one should
>>> not pass.
>>I would not be arrogant enough to suggest to you how you should react
>>Mirjam. I was merely commenting on the unkindness shown.
>>>
>>>> I was not referring to you specifically Mirjam, I was referring to the
>>>> people I have spoken to and used some of their words regarding the
>>>> situation they are in AS THEY FEEL IT.
>>> Of course no , but since you said some of your beloved Jewish friends
>>> feel they live in hell , i thought i may tell you , i don`t live in
>>> hell. I don`t know aho your Jewish & Palestinian friends are nore
>>> where they live , and i wish all a better life. And i hope that like me
>>> they know that a better life to all can be achieved only by working for
>>> it , not complaining about it .
>>>> Nor do I Mirjam unless they have referred to them selves specifically
>>>> in
>>> Sorry you took SPECIAL CARE to tell me you had beloved friends who are
>>> both Palestinians and Jews who feel that their life is hard... I on the
>>> other hand have many friends, who care and work, to make life better
>>> for EVERY Human being.
>>Thank you, it is sometimes difficult to express clearly what is meant -
>>as you well know! Sometimes what we say is not accepted in the way in
>>which it is spoken but I prefer to think these misunderstandings arise
>>because of not being face to face with the person to whom I am speaking.
>>Text alone cannot convey nuances of language.
>>>> that way and speak on these matters to make a point to me. The people
>>>> to whom I was referring had done that and I was sharing with you what
>>>> they had shared with me. If someone tells me that they are black, or
>>>> Russian, or Irish I do not try to take away their definition of them
>>>> selves as it obviously matters to them.
>>> I will remember that the next time we have any discussion about this
>>> that etc...
>>> have a nice day /evening etc....
>>> mirjam
>>I hope you too enjoy your day and thank you for coming back to me on this
>>subject. I feel we have reached a deeper understanding of each other.
>>Apologies to others in the group for taking up so much space on here on
>>an "Off topic" subject.
>
> Bernadette. . .
>
> Don't apologize, it's a GOOD discussion!!! I too feel that
> misunderstandings can and should be straightedned out and believe you and
> Mirjam have come to some good stuff!
> Noreen

>>>I hope you too enjoy your day and thank you for coming back to me on this
>>>subject. I feel we have reached a deeper understanding of each other.
>>>Apologies to others in the group for taking up so much space on here on
>>>an "Off topic" subject.
>>
>> Bernadette. . .
>>
>> Don't apologize, it's a GOOD discussion!!! I too feel that
>> misunderstandings can and should be straightedned out and believe you and
>> Mirjam have come to some good stuff!
>> Noreen
>Bless you Noreen and thanks. I always feel a bit guilty if I take up a lot
>of other people's time on these groups - you've made me feel more
>comfortable about it. :-)
>PS, it's good to see you back here posting again.
<end quoted>

> Bernadette spun a FINE 'yarn':
>
> (major snippage of the preceding conversations leading up to:)
>>>>I hope you too enjoy your day and thank you for coming back to me on
>>>>this subject. I feel we have reached a deeper understanding of each
>>>>other.
>>>>Apologies to others in the group for taking up so much space on here on
>>>>an "Off topic" subject.
>>>
>>> Bernadette. . .
>>>
>>> Don't apologize, it's a GOOD discussion!!! I too feel that
>>> misunderstandings can and should be straightedned out and believe you
>>> and Mirjam have come to some good stuff!
>>> Noreen
>>Bless you Noreen and thanks. I always feel a bit guilty if I take up a
>>lot of other people's time on these groups - you've made me feel more
>>comfortable about it. :-)
>>PS, it's good to see you back here posting again.
>
> Bernadette. . .
> I'd rather read about two people crossing borders and learning about one
> another than leaving misunderstandings hang there ANYTIME!! Always be
> comfortable here, you're among friends! Hugs,

> Noreen
>
> PS, have you ever read some of Gemini's l-o-n-g posts? Sure, they're off
> topic, but they're SO newsy and fun... and lately RARE, so when she does
> post, it's a TREAT!

> On Fri, 23 May 2008 21:58:15 +0200, YarnWright wrote:
<snipped>
>> PS, have you ever read some of Gemini's l-o-n-g posts? Sure, they're off
>> topic, but they're SO newsy and fun... and lately RARE, so when she does
>> post, it's a TREAT!
> Yes, I used to enjoy them too. It is quite a while since she posted but I
> assumed she just needed some space after losing her cousin, Linda. I hope
> she will come back here again.
> --
> Bernadette