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Posted by Kirsten Watson on April 14, 2008, 2:52 am
>
>...
>> we also did woodwork, metalwork, electronics and
>> that thing where you put powder on metal and heat it up extremely hot to
>> form a sort of coating (does anyone remember what that's called?)
>
>Enamelling?
>


That's the word I'm looking for! Thankyou. I loved it, and my
enamelled pieces are among the ones my mother still has on display :)

Kirsten


Posted by Richard Eney on April 13, 2008, 2:07 pm
>
>>Spouse was a 'craft, design, technology' teacher for many years. Cooking
>>wasn't taught to girls or boys, instead they were taught things like
>>designing a pizza take-away box or how to assemble ready-prepared
>>ingredients to make a meal. He couldn't teach real practical metal or
>>woodwork because it involved dangerous tools, only the theory.

That's absurd. What is this, Zen teaching theory? Half the point of
lessons is to learn how to be careful.

Bu then, I speak as one who was using woodworking tools before I went
to school; I got all my early cuts and sore fingers at home. Daddy's
method of babysitting toddlers was to give them a piece of wood, some
common nails, and an adult-sized hammer.

>That's rather unfortunate. At my school, we not only actually cooked
>things (I still use some of the recipes, my school tomato soup and pizza
>dough recipes in particular are very popular with my family) and sewed
>things (noticable gender difference in our class; boys all much better
>than girls at sewing),

We cooked a recipe, ate it, and cleaned up afterwards in one hour.
Sewing took a little longer. Back in those days, no boys took
Home Economics (they could have) and girls theoretically could take
Shop but somehow the schedule was always such that Shop didn't fit in.
My brother did take Personal Typing which oddly included half a year of
Stenography; I took Typing I which was all typing, no steno. My brother
spent much of his time repairing the typerwriters, but he did learn to type.

>we also did woodwork, metalwork, electronics and that thing where you
>put powder on metal and heat it up extremely hot to form a sort of
>coating (does anyone remember what that's called?)

Enameling? I would have loved to take woodwork and metalwork even
if I would have been bad at it. My niece did well when she took Shop.

>As a result, I'm reasonably confident with any relevant techniques
>I need to use, even though my designs were universally appalling
>(the kneeler I made for my moher is still in use as a shelf).

My embroidery design was so rigid and unimaginative... I don't recall
whether I finally discarded it.

=Tamar

Posted by Mary Fisher on April 14, 2008, 8:21 am

>>
>>>Spouse was a 'craft, design, technology' teacher for many years. Cooking
>>>wasn't taught to girls or boys, instead they were taught things like
>>>designing a pizza take-away box or how to assemble ready-prepared
>>>ingredients to make a meal. He couldn't teach real practical metal or
>>>woodwork because it involved dangerous tools, only the theory.
>
> That's absurd. What is this, Zen teaching theory? Half the point of
> lessons is to learn how to be careful.

I know that, you know that, legislation in this country is being influenced
by claims though.

A grand daughter lives with us temporarily while she does a college course
(her parents live in France). Her course is for childcare. Yesterdy she told
me that talcum powder must not be used on babies because it blocks the
pores.

!
>
> Bu then, I speak as one who was using woodworking tools before I went
> to school; I got all my early cuts and sore fingers at home. Daddy's
> method of babysitting toddlers was to give them a piece of wood, some
> common nails, and an adult-sized hammer.

Same here and same with our children.
>
>
> We cooked a recipe, ate it, and cleaned up afterwards in one hour.
> Sewing took a little longer. Back in those days, no boys took
> Home Economics (they could have)

When our youngest boy was doing cookery (real cookery, with ingredients and
a finished dish) he came home from school disgusted with the result of his
latest lesson. At nine yo he'd made bread.

With 2 ozs of flour.

He complained that there wasn't enough dought to knead - he was used to
making half a stone at a time at home.
>
...
>
> Enameling? I would have loved to take woodwork and metalwork even
> if I would have been bad at it. My niece did well when she took Shop.

OK - I give in. What's 'Shop'?
>
>>As a result, I'm reasonably confident with any relevant techniques
>>I need to use, even though my designs were universally appalling
>>(the kneeler I made for my moher is still in use as a shelf).
>
> My embroidery design was so rigid and unimaginative... I don't recall
> whether I finally discarded it.

We're still using tablecloths I embroidered (from transfers though) in my
teens, not at school. I really don't like the designs now except one very
modern, almost abstract one. We'll use them until they drop apart - which
they are doing fast ...

Mary



Posted by Richard Eney on April 14, 2008, 3:15 pm
>>>
>>>>Spouse was a 'craft, design, technology' teacher for many years. Cooking
>>>>wasn't taught to girls or boys, instead they were taught things like
>>>>designing a pizza take-away box or how to assemble ready-prepared
>>>>ingredients to make a meal. He couldn't teach real practical metal or
>>>>woodwork because it involved dangerous tools, only the theory.
>>
>> That's absurd. What is this, Zen teaching theory? Half the point of
>> lessons is to learn how to be careful.
>
>I know that, you know that, legislation in this country is being influenced
>by claims though.

Here too, I fear, but so far I think the kids can actually touch tools.

>A grand daughter lives with us temporarily while she does a college course
>(her parents live in France). Her course is for childcare. Yesterday she told
>me that talcum powder must not be used on babies because it blocks the
>pores.
>
>!

The version I've heard is that the powder might be breathed and harm the
lungs, but not that it blocks the skin. I wonder whether the teacher got
that out of a book or just verbally from someone who heard it somewhere.
(Remembering hearing of student teachers who "weren't into reading".)

>> But then, I speak as one who was using woodworking tools before I went
>> to school; I got all my early cuts and sore fingers at home. Daddy's
>> method of babysitting toddlers was to give them a piece of wood, some
>> common nails, and an adult-sized hammer.
>
>Same here and same with our children.

And every kid I'm aware of loved it, too.

>> We cooked a recipe, ate it, and cleaned up afterwards in one hour.
>> Sewing took a little longer. Back in those days, no boys took
>> Home Economics (they could have)
>
>When our youngest boy was doing cookery (real cookery, with ingredients and
>a finished dish) he came home from school disgusted with the result of his
>latest lesson. At nine yo he'd made bread.
>
>With 2 ozs of flour.
>
>He complained that there wasn't enough dought to knead - he was used to
>making half a stone at a time at home.

Technically I can make bread, but in fact it comes out terrible. I think
I overknead.

>> Enameling? I would have loved to take woodwork and metalwork even
>> if I would have been bad at it. My niece did well when she took Shop.
>
>OK - I give in. What's 'Shop'?

In the northeastern USA, "shop" was the generic term for school lessons
in woodwork, metalwork, anything done in a workshop, including setting
type by hand (now that was really out of date). When the art class did
oil paintings, the shop class cut the wood for the frames because they
were trained to use a saw. (Never mind that the painters had also done
carving in art class, most using chisels and gouges that were harder to
control than a hand saw.) The painters got to glue the frames together
and apply a stain made from oil paint. (Toxic materials!)

I'd been using saws at home for ten years at that point but many of
the other students had never touched a real tool until the carving
portion of the art class. Having the shop students cut the diagonals
gave them something real to do and no doubt improved the quality of
the frames.

Now there are people who object to adults using sharp pointed knitting
needles.

=Tamar

Posted by Olwyn Mary on April 14, 2008, 5:57 pm
Richard Eney wrote:





>>OK - I give in. What's 'Shop'?
>
>
> In the northeastern USA, "shop" was the generic term for school lessons
> in woodwork, metalwork, anything done in a workshop, including setting
> type by hand (now that was really out of date). When the art class did
> oil paintings, the shop class cut the wood for the frames because they
> were trained to use a saw. (Never mind that the painters had also done
> carving in art class, most using chisels and gouges that were harder to
> control than a hand saw.) The painters got to glue the frames together
> and apply a stain made from oil paint. (Toxic materials!)
>
> I'd been using saws at home for ten years at that point but many of
> the other students had never touched a real tool until the carving
> portion of the art class. Having the shop students cut the diagonals
> gave them something real to do and no doubt improved the quality of
> the frames.
>
> Now there are people who object to adults using sharp pointed knitting
> needles.
>
> =Tamar

Chortle, chortle. We allowed our son to have a driving license as soon
as he was sixteen (that wwas the magic age in Florida) as he was a
pretty responsible, trustworthy kid. However, he had to have the school
"Drivers'Ed." course in order to get a discount on the insurance. One
weekend, using our older car, he drove himself and three other kids from
the church youth group to a conference about four hours away, turnpike
driving most of the way.

The following Monday, he came home guffawing..........that day, in
Drivers Ed, he had been permitted to take the wheel of the training car
and pilot it around the school parking lot!!

Olwyn Mary in New Orleans.
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