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new here and have hat question karlisa 10-09-2006
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Posted by karlisa on October 10, 2006, 6:48 pm

Wooly wrote:
> forth :
>
> > How does one go about
> >factoring in the stretch when planning a [hat] pattern?
>
> Desired circumference minus 10% is a good place to start but it's a
> number that will vary with the fiber, the knitting method, the stitch
> used. Caps made with less-elastic yarns will probably need to be
> knitted on 100% of stitches, caps with ribbing should be started on
> C-10% or have the ribbing knitted tightly on smaller needles than the
> main cap is made on. Stranded knitting is less elastic than one-color
> stockinette, different ribbing (1x1, 2x2, 3x2, etc etc) all vary in
> their elasticity. Some pattern stitches are very stretchy
> horizontally, others actually take up and have no elasticity at all.
>
This is handy information for me. Thanks! Although I knew that fiber
content could effect how stretchy the final fabric turned out, I didn't
know that stranded knitting was less elastic. I do try to learn as
much as possible so I can spend less time ripping out my work! I
appreciate your help.

lisa


Posted by Leah on October 10, 2006, 7:56 am
Hi Karlisa,

>I am making a hat for my son--very simple little pumpkin hat on double
>pointed needles for his Halloween costume. I made one for my younger
>son, but the directions I have are only for a small child. I cannot
>find one for an adult size head. My oldest son is 4 years old and has
>a rather large head (21"). I'm making the hat out of an orange
>bulky-weight yarn on 10 1/2 needles and getting a gauge of 4 stitches
>per inch. My question: Is there a rule-of-thumb for how big to make a
>hat based on the stretch factor? In other words, I don't think I would
>necessarily want to make his hat 21" but a bit smaller to allow for the
>stretch. If this is correct, is there a general rule-of-thumb for this
>or a percentage of stretch I should allow for? I realize that K2, P2
>ribbing is much stretchier than stocking stitch. The hat I'm making is
>just a roll brim in stocking stitch, though. How does one go about
>factoring in the stretch when planning a pattern? I would love to make
>more of these hats and not feel tethered to a set of instructions every
>time. I hope I've worded this properly. Any assistance would be
>greatly appreciated!

I have a machine knit pattern for a roll brim hat that is made in
worsted weight with a gauge of 4 stitches per inch and sized for a
child age 3-6, child age 7-10, and adult. It's a stocking stitch
pattern, because that's what this KM produces, and you cast on 70
stitches for the child 3-6, 78 stitches for the child 7-10, and 86
stitches for the adult size. That means the adult roll brim hat is
about 21.5 inches around, just a little larger than you said your
son's head is, while the child 7-10 should be only about 19.5 inches
around, and the smallest child's only 17.5 inches.

Also, the knitting machine's basic book has instructions for their
doubled earwarmer, and the child 3-6 calls for 58 sts, child 7-10 is
66 sts, and adult is 76 sts cast on.

So, the pattern seems to be add about 8 sts/2 inches for each size
increase when working with worsted weight at a gauge of 4 sts per inch
with no ribbing involved. If it were me, I'd probably go with the
older child's (7-10) size and knit a good sized swatch in scrap yarn
and try it out on his head for fit and comfort before committing to
the entire project.

HTH!

Leah

Posted by karlisa on October 10, 2006, 6:42 pm

Leah wrote:
> Hi Karlisa,
>
> >I am making a hat for my son--very simple little pumpkin hat on double
> >pointed needles for his Halloween costume. I made one for my younger
> >son, but the directions I have are only for a small child. I cannot
> >find one for an adult size head. My oldest son is 4 years old and has
> >a rather large head (21"). I'm making the hat out of an orange
> >bulky-weight yarn on 10 1/2 needles and getting a gauge of 4 stitches
> >per inch. My question: Is there a rule-of-thumb for how big to make a
> >hat based on the stretch factor? In other words, I don't think I would
> >necessarily want to make his hat 21" but a bit smaller to allow for the
> >stretch. If this is correct, is there a general rule-of-thumb for this
> >or a percentage of stretch I should allow for? I realize that K2, P2
> >ribbing is much stretchier than stocking stitch. The hat I'm making is
> >just a roll brim in stocking stitch, though. How does one go about
> >factoring in the stretch when planning a pattern? I would love to make
> >more of these hats and not feel tethered to a set of instructions every
> >time. I hope I've worded this properly. Any assistance would be
> >greatly appreciated!
>
> I have a machine knit pattern for a roll brim hat that is made in
> worsted weight with a gauge of 4 stitches per inch and sized for a
> child age 3-6, child age 7-10, and adult. It's a stocking stitch
> pattern, because that's what this KM produces, and you cast on 70
> stitches for the child 3-6, 78 stitches for the child 7-10, and 86
> stitches for the adult size. That means the adult roll brim hat is
> about 21.5 inches around, just a little larger than you said your
> son's head is, while the child 7-10 should be only about 19.5 inches
> around, and the smallest child's only 17.5 inches.
>
> Also, the knitting machine's basic book has instructions for their
> doubled earwarmer, and the child 3-6 calls for 58 sts, child 7-10 is
> 66 sts, and adult is 76 sts cast on.
>
> So, the pattern seems to be add about 8 sts/2 inches for each size
> increase when working with worsted weight at a gauge of 4 sts per inch
> with no ribbing involved. If it were me, I'd probably go with the
> older child's (7-10) size and knit a good sized swatch in scrap yarn
> and try it out on his head for fit and comfort before committing to
> the entire project.
>
> HTH!
>
> Leah

Thanks, Leah! It's always been difficult fitting my son for hats,
especially when he was a little baby (head always measured in the 90th
percentile) and getting his head through openings in shirts and
sweaters that don't have button plackets is a challenge still. I'll
experiment and see what the child 7-10 measurement produces. If it
doesn't fit, I'll just add it to my growing charity hats collection.
Fortunately, this hat knits up fairly quickly!

lisa


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